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2012-2014 Prius v Safety Recall J1V - Hybrid/Inverter System

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  1. Air_Boss

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    Another inverter issue...

    2012-2014 Toyota Prius V Safety Recall J1V
    Safety Recalls

    Safety Recall J1V - Interim Notice, Certain 2010-2014 Model Year Prius, Certain 2012-2014 Model Year Prius V, Hybrid System Software Update

    Status
    Remedy Not Available

    Description
    The involved vehicles were designed to enter a failsafe driving mode in response to certain hybrid system faults. Toyota has found that in rare situations, the vehicle may not enter a failsafe driving mode as intended.

    This recall remedy, when available, will address a new condition in the vehicles involved in previous Safety Recalls E0E & F0R. The remedy conducted for E0E & F0R did not anticipate the new condition identified in this recall. If this occurs, the vehicle could lose power and stall. While power steering and braking would remain operational, a vehicle stall while driving at higher speeds could increase the risk of a crash.

    Remedy

    Toyota is currently preparing the remedy for this condition. When the remedy becomes available, dealers will perform a software update for the hybrid system FREE OF CHARGE. For customer satisfaction, if the vehicle has experienced an inverter failure related to this condition, the inverter assembly will be repaired or replaced prior to the software updates FREE OF CHARGE.

    For answers to frequently asked questions, please click here.

    Recall Date
    October 4, 2018

    Dealer Reference ID
    J1V

    NHTSA Recall ID
    AWAITING#
     
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  2. Elektroingenieur

    Elektroingenieur Senior Member

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    The Defect Information Report (PDF) and Part 573 notice (PDF) are available on NHTSA’s website. The former has a few interesting details, especially in the “Chronology of Principal Events” section.
     
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    Interesting Root Cause Analysis. Thanks for posting that!

    When the earlier recalls came out, I wondered how they would handle any pre-existing damage that might only later manifest as a failure. I guess we are now seeing how.

    They had already extended the IPM warranty. What will they do now?
     
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    Part warranty 15 years from first use, no mileage restrictions. SW only fix. Failed replacement free. Retroactive. But not a total fix as damage could still have occurred and only a better get to the side of the road is provided.
     
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    So we roll the dice.

    I wonder if there is a use case (like the high heat and humidity toll on Takata air bags) that is more likely to result in IPM 'limp state' failure?

    And I wonder if this latest flash will cost MPG? The earlier one did not appear to.
     
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    i wonder if hard acceleration is the biggest cause?
     
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    As hard as it will go? I mean it’s not exactly a catapult shot off the line, right? Or maybe it is high sustained speed, where the MGUs are up on their limits?
     
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    lack of torque may be the reason some people push it so hard, or it might just be their idea of fun.

    but you could be right, maybe sustained high speeds, hard to say.

    it does seem to be very infrequent though.
     
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    I was especially interested in the May through September investigation into how there could be cars that had the E0E or F0R recalls supposedly performed earlier, but still didn't have the right firmware versions in the ECUs that were supposed to be updated.

    I think in the E0E Technical Instructions I might have found a clue. :)

    The section "I. OPERATION FLOW CHART" tells you you're going to reflash the MG ECUs and the Power Management ECU.

    The "VERIFY REPAIR QUALITY" on page 10 (which you might not look at, if you had no reason to open the inverter so you thought you were done on page 8) tells you to confirm that you reflashed both the MG and the Power Managament ECUs.

    In between those two is section VI to step you through the process. The section is titled "MG ECU AND POWER MANAGEMENT ECU REFLASH PROCEDURE".

    But, uhh, somebody tell me there isn't a step omitted between 4 and 5. :oops:

    Proofreading. I do stuff like that all the time. I'm so close to all the things I meant to say that I'll totally fail to notice that I didn't get one of them down on the page.

    Guess I'll be out checking my firmware versions then... Edit: mine, happily, got all the right versions loaded. :)

    -Chap
     
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    How do you check the firmware version?
     
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    For each ECU, the firmware version, also called the “Calibration ID,” can be viewed using a Toyota Techstream diagnostic system—or a third-party equivalent that’s able to retrieve this information.
     
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    Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like the software update will reduce the power available on full acceleration. If that is the case I will let the next owner of my car do the recall.
     
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    If that is the intent -- and that does follow from the "do not operate the vehicle under heavy load or hard acceleration" text of the mailing -- it degrades vehicle performance and possibly, efficiency, and I would argue that Toyota ought to either buy back or introduce a more robust replacement set of hardware and software to maintain original performance and efficiency.

    Replacement also warranted for latent damage to original components which may in the future fail, which has been a stated concern since the first firmware update.

    It's not a VW 'dieselgate' situation, yet, but it may require owner pushback to convince Toyota to do the right thing.
     
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    analogous to apple slowing down their aging iphones?
     
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    Reading the lines themselves (in the Defect Information Report that Elektroingenieur helpfully linked to earlier), this particular update is about correcting a mishandled edge case in the software, where a condition that was supposed to result in failsafe/limp-home mode might instead result in immediate OFF. It also tweaks the limp-home mode "to provide for increased available speed and range under more circumstances in the event of a failure requiring failsafe driving."

    I think a limp-home mode with increased speed and range would make me happier than immediate OFF in a variety of traffic situations, so I will probably get the update when it is available.

    -Chap
     
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    That's what they say, 'preliminarily'. Let's see what happens.
     
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    OK,
    I hope I'm in the right place for this.
    My wife has a 2012 Prius. She was went to Walmart one night and for some reason when she left the store and got into the car and pushed the start button it would not do anything. All the dash senors and alarms were on. Called a tow truck and they tried to jump it with no luck. I think this is a recall issue on the inverter but not for sure. I put a trickle charger on the battery and still no luck. I cant afford to tow it to dealership and have them tell me its something other than the recall issue. Has anyone had this issue or could help?
    I just want to get it running and sell the car because we have not had much luck with it.
     
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    I have seen those indications with a flat 12V auxiliary battery. And like your case, a jump didn’t initially start it. Could be a $150 fix. Then I would check to see whether the earlier IMG reflash TSB was accomplished.
     
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    This isn't really the right place ... this thread is about the J1V / J0V recall, which specifically has to do with a risk of the car shutting off suddenly in traffic if a power module in the inverter fails while driving.
     
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    With respect, it's my thread, and the OP is identifying an issue that may relate to the prior, similar, TSB and recall for the IMG, so I think that's sufficiently on-topic.