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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pschaefs, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. pschaefs

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    Hey all, I’ve been following this forum since I bought my Prius last year and have found it helpful. Finally decided to create an account. Unfortunately, a sad event is prompting me to do so.. My beloved 2009 Prius crapped out on I80 north of Salt Lake City, UT. There’s oil splattered everywhere. I didn’t see any coolant and it makes a noisy rattle when started leading me to believe that I blew a rod and the engine is toast. Fortunately, a friend of a friend has a shop in SLC that does a lot of work on hybrids and is reasonable. I’ll find out exactly what is wrong on Monday.

    Does anyone in the area know of a good used Prius engine for sale or suggestions on the best place to find one? I’m sure the mechanic will have some ideas as well, but want to get ahead of this.

    The car is nearly 10 years old and has 183k on it. However, I still owe nearly $6k on the loan, so it’s hard to justify discarding it. Plus, in February, I replaced the inverter and aux battery. I’ve also replaced a drive belt and ac filter. The previous owner took good care of it from what I can tell and according to the dealership service records.

    All of that said, I’m a bit concerned about this turning into even more of a money pit, but not sure what I can do at this point. The engine blowout occurred after a full day of driving along I80 from Colorado. Earlier in the day, my check engine light went on. I stopped at a Toyota dealership in Laramie, WY. They were kind enough to check the codes. I can’t recall the exact code he found, but the tech said it likely signaled that my catalytic converter was having issues. I believe he said the indication was that the fuel was thin. Nevertheless, he said I should be able to complete my trip but advised that I’d need a new catalytic converter pretty soon. Part of me wonders if the cc didn’t clog and lead to the engine blowout I likely experienced. I am also going to need new tires soon. It also has a faulty combination meter (turns out I missed the warranty deadline by a couple months). I’ve just been living with that and using the various tricks I found online to get it working. Hasn’t been a huge issue and is very sporadic.

    To make things trickier, I am considering a transfer for work that would land me in Fort Collins, CO. I’d be able to live car-free there, so could perhaps sell the car. With a replaced engine, inverter, aux battery, drive belt, catalytic converter and solid maintenance records; I’d like to think I could sell it on the higher end of the spectrum for a used Prius. It also has the premium package (leather, sound, backup camera, etc) which should help. I’d still likely be in debt for this round of repairs, but I’d hopefully be able to pay off all or most of the loan and eliminate car payments, insurance, gas, maintenance expenses from my life (granted, I’d be shelling out some money for buses, Lyfts, etc, but I’d mostly bike - which I love).

    Anyway, sorry for the rambling post. I’m still a little shocked from this and needed a brain dump. If anyone has any thoughts on the following, I’d appreciate your input.

    -suggestions on finding a good used Prius engine in/near Salt Lake?

    -any guesses on how much should I anticipate paying for a mechanic to do an engine replacement and catalytic converter?

    -thoughts on how much I could likely sell this car for after putting a new(er) engine in it and replacing the catalytic converter?

    -how much life can I expect from this car after making these repairs? Any other big expenses on the horizon (transmission)? I’ve heard of Prius’ going over 300k miles.
     
  2. bisco

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    welcome!
    sorry for your troubles. some here have used LKQ

    all the best!(y)
     
  3. edthefox5

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    The fact that the check engine light came on and you didn’t pull over immed and check all the vital
    Fluids instead drive it to a car dealer tells me your not to good with cars.
    Don’t feel bad we see that a lot here. unfortuneately you lunched the motor.

    Your engine uses engine oil and uses alot of engine oil on a long high speed trip.

    What happened was you ran it out of oil and the engine threw a rod out the side of the engine.
    Seen that many many times. It was pretty good explosion right?

    Motor replacement has been around $2000 installed from what we see here. If it has the original hybrid battery that’s a little time bomb waiting for you after you drop the $2 on the motor so I would be hesitant to spend that kind of money on the car given the miles and age.
     
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    I'm not so sure the OP ran out of oil.
    I'd think a dealership looking at a check engine light, AND with a customer asking about continuing a long trip, would at least check the oil.
    It's possible they didn't..but I don't assume they didn't. I'd hope the did.

    And if there is Oil splattered everywhere? That suggests to me that there was at least some oil in the system at the time of the event.

    But really? Whatever the diagnosis is now? It's more about what to do now.
    If the code was correct? The OP would be looking at a 9+ year old Prius, with 183K on it, that probably needs a new engine, and possibly needs a new catalytic converter...at the very least.

    And unfortunately the OP owes $6000 on the vehicle.

    I'd assume whatever happened...you probably do need a new engine now. I'd wonder if you also need that catalytic converter. THEN?
    It just IS a tough situation.

    With those problems, I don't think there is any way you get that vehicle running- particularly cheaply.
    With a blown engine and quite possibly needing a Catalytic Converter? There is no way you sell it, for much.

    Is it worth making the investment necessary, to just get it running? To either keep or sell?

    I wish I had a better answer...
    Can you afford to take a total loss on it? Because if you do nothing...that's about what you'll end up doing.
    But the converse, would I think mean investing much more into the vehicle than what it might be worth to you. With absolutely no way to guarantee what it's future might be.

    The OP wants to get ahead of this. But it might be a case, where you just have to sit back, and find out what might be possible...at every step. Then weigh options.
     
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    The only cheapest way, if I were the one, is to get only the engine block from any salvaged vehicle with a head gasket only problem, and do a swap. I don't know how much that would cost over in your area though.
    Are you a DIYer, that can handle a tasks like that? I'd you can't, if your mechanic friend is willing to help, and has some engine blocks in his shop, that would be great.

    I hope at the end of getting the car back on the road, you won't have HV battery issues springing up?

    If you can't do the swapping of the block, then you for to sale the car as is, and move on!

    Dxta
     
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    I am replacing the motor on my 2006 now. I blew out the bottom end of the motor...when I bought it, it already had a knock and I knew it was a matter of time. I got a motor with 120K miles on it for $300 from a website http://www.car-parts.com. It pulls a bunch of information from local junk yards on what they have available. If you call ahead, they should have the motor already pulled for you and they rate the motors too, of course you want to try and find an "A" grade. My friend has been using the site for years, has bought hundreds of motors from them and has only had 1 bad one...that he just took back and swapped for a different one. I think it is definitely worth checking out. Best luck man!
     
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    OP is screwed, period.

    Owes more than the KBB value of the car.
    Does NOT seem to be DIY inclinced; will be paying costly auto labor rates.
    Needs engine and Catalytic converter, for now.

    OP should cut losses and just get a different used car.
     
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    Yeah...I think I agree...I was just trying desperately to find some type of positive angle....but.....????

    I guess the ONLY positive is if the OP ends up at Fort Collins CO...and can live car free?
    Well..unfortunately that might be where the OP is heading one way or another.
     
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    You can invest a little bit of time to see for yourself, what you THEORETICALLY could get. Remember, each market/area is unique, and what you want vs what buyers are willing to pay is what will determine the actual selling price, and it is usually somewhere in the middle. You want $10K, buyer wants $5k, maybe final price is settle for $7.5k?

    Zip: 84044 (somewhere Salt Lake City, UT)
    Year: 2009
    Miles: 183,000
    Options: Prius w/ Package #6 (only you know the true option make-up)
    Color: Gray (color that sells easily; only you know the true color)
    Condition: VERY GOOD (only you know this; 23% of cars meet KBB's definition)
    Has minor cosmetic defects and is in excellent mechanical condition
    • Has had minor paint touch-ups and/or bodywork
    • Requires minimal reconditioning
    • The engine compartment is clean and free of leaks
    • Is free of rust
    • The body and interior has minimal signs of wear or visible defects
    • Wheels are flawless
    • All tires match and have 75% or more of tread remaining
    • Has a clean title history and will pass a safety and smog inspection
    In general, KBB prices seem to be generous. Market forces will ultimately determine what you will get.
    KBB Trade In Value : $3001-$4236 (median value of $3619)
    KBB Private Value: $5976-$8227 (median value of $7102)
    KBB link


    Pick-up the phone and make phone calls. Some people report paying $2k+ for a used Prius engine install. Your area might have far cheaper or far higher labor rates.

    *AC will be the biggest expensive repair due to labor, complexity, and few people know how to correctly work on it.
    *HV Battery will go out in the near future. $1800-$2500 from Toyota dealers who sell online.
    *Suspension (Front Struts/Rear Shocks) I paid $320 in parts, in 2014. Labor was my time on the weekend.
    *People who get high mileage seem to take care of their cars and DIY, which justifies spending money on a car that is worth $zero.
    *You never know what can/will go wrong.
    *Just like human longevity, its all over the place: drop dead tomorrow, to live to 107years. Who knows.

    RECAP:
    Currently owe $6000
    estimated used engine replacement: $500
    estimated engine installation cost: $2000
    estimated cost of Universal Catalytic Converter weld on replacement: $100
    estimated weld on cost of Cat by muffler shop: $100
    rebuilt combo meter $150 + ($75 refundable core deposit; not included in TOTAL calculation due to refundable deposit); Prius Speedometer Replacement
    estimated labor rate to replace combo meter: $150
    TOTAL guestimated COSTS: $9000

    Guestimated Private Party selling price: $6500
    NET LOSS: $6500 - $9000 = $2500

    These estimates could be off by a lot. There are a lot of assumptions being made. Do some work and call shops to get more accurate numbers.
     
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    Hey thanks, exstudent for all the work you put into laying this out. I feel a bit bad. I had actually already done the KBB research. I should have been more clear in stating that I was looking more for anecdotal input re price. Because, as you correctly noted, the market makes a big difference. I'm shooting to get $6k for it after the repairs are done. I'm still mulling over engine quotes. We'll see what happens. Thanks for all the input!