VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

apparently not, judging from they're actions over the last 10 years. perhaps the courts will be different.

 

They just use Perri-air:

 

Fallout: Milan’s new diesel ban to cause ripple effect | opportunity:energy

The city of Milan is getting set for a progressive ban on diesel cars, due to start as early as January 2019. The bold move was announced a few days ago by Milan’s mayor Giuseppe Sala at the annual Energy Festival in Rome. “It will be a delicate transition, but we think it’s time to do it”, said Sala.

. . . Political pressure on diesel cars has been mounting for some time, particularly following Volkswagen’s Dieselgate scandal. Further, Milan has a history of strong environmental policies and has already been implementing increasingly strict anti-pollution measures on vehicle traffic for a number of years. Most notably, a “congestion charge” scheme very similar to the one implemented in London, called Area C, is already in place for the historical town centre. The new scheme will however encompass a wider area, to include the whole of the city.
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Stupid Dieselgate: The Fix Is In: We Test Both Fixed and Cheater VW TDI Diesels | Feature | Car and Driver

At the proving grounds, we ran a modified version of our typical acceleration test, first with the new software and then again after the car had been reverted back to its “dirty” code by two Volkswagen technicians. (Although they used a laptop plugged into the OBD II port, they stressed that VW dealers and others authorized to upload the new software would use a system that will not allow a car to be reverted to any earlier code.) In both zero-to-60 and quarter-mile tests, we recorded identical results: 9.3 seconds and 17.2 seconds at 82 miles per hour. Extra test equipment in the back seat and a passenger aboard mean these numbers cannot be compared with other C/D test numbers, nor should they be considered absolute. But the comparative fact stands: We found no notable performance differences between the car with its original dirty software and the same car after the fix.

The filler neck for the Passat’s DEF tank is located in the trunk, with the tank extending out of sight such that we were unable to accurately assess DEF consumption during testing. Nor were we able to do much fuel-economy analysis, although according to the Passat’s onboard trip computer there was no significant change during steady-speed cruising after we switched software.​

Bob Wilson

 

VWs at Pick n Pull | Photo Section | Bob Is The Oil Guy

VWs are starting to go to the wrecker by the multi truckload

 

what a shame.

 

What did you expect?

They will probably either drill holes in the block or crush them, probably more polluting have such a large number of new cars sit, and get crushed.

Now if they would leave them alone and let folks buy the gliders under the requirement they convert to EV, ah well

Such a destructive waste

 

Waste, yes, but that happened when Bosch wrote the software to optionally disable diesel emissions controllers.

I agree the cars could be converted but they would still have to be EPA and crash tested. When I was investigating a propane conversion kit for our Prius, I learned the EPA testing alone would be ~$250,000 . . . for one car.

Bob Wilson

 

Hopefully, my '09 TDI is out there somewhere, but I think the early ones went to the crusher.

 

But you can attach a 500lb roof rack, hot rod it, change the suspension, change the rims, change the bumpers and it’s fine

 

We could have allowed the cars to be exported to countries in which the cheaters would have met the local emission regulations.

 

Ship them back to Germany and let VW take the credit, not the USA. Just think. 300,000 USA rejected, used cars sold by VW and Germany to 3d world countries. For example Cuba, Russia, N. Korea, Venezuela, and Ecuador. Turkey and Iran could use some too.

Bob Wilson

 

you could even take the hybrid system out and put an old dirty smoke belching diesel engine in it - & that's okay too.
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Not in Pennsylvania. The replacement engine has to be the same model year or newer as the car.

 

How does that work for Amish buggies .... maybe the horses have to be related

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VW has been discretely selling the returned fraudulent Diesels to VW shops in the US in private auctions. The VW shops rebuild the emissions systems in accordance with the EPA approved procedures. The shops then sell the retrofitted fraudulent Diesels at a profit.

VW planned to build and operate special retrofitting facilities itself near the lots, but I haven't yet heard if if anything has become of that.

I would guess that the fraudulent VW Diesels seen at the salvage yard were also bought at such an auction, but the buyer decided that he could make more profit by selling the used parts than by retrofitting.

 

Some of those fixed VWs are actually being sold at VW dealers.

The crushed cars are likely new ones without a SCR system to begin with, and deemed to costly to fix vs the expected return, or ones VW had to buy back from people that were too used in mileage or age to bother fixing.

 

From what I’ve been told this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/rivian-automotives-future-factory-site-full-volkswagens-dirty-diesels-drone-video/amp/

Hasn’t changed much since 2016 but it does fund Rivian I guess

 

So here's what gets fixed of the 2.0 liters, as far as I'm aware:

Gen 1 (2009-2014 Jetta/Golf/Audi A3/Beetle, no SCR system), both manual and DSG
Gen 2 (2012-2014 Passat, has SCR system), DSG only (manual has no fix available)
Gen 3 (all 2015s, has SCR system), both manual and DSG

So, it's literally everything that isn't a 2012-2014 manual transmission Passat (which they barely sold any of).

 

Without SCR, how do they accomplish the NOx reduction?

Are they cycling a rich diesel mixture to condition the catalytic converter?

Bob Wilson

 

Basically yes - they trap NOx in lean conditions, then go to rich conditions periodically to release the NOx and break it down.

They just didn't bother actually doing that all the time before, whereas now they do.