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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Booker, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. Booker

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    Last month i purchased a 2005 Prius with 180,000 miles on it. Now two weeks ago i have been having my car overheat and my master light turn on along with the coolant temp light when i pass 60 mph. I checked coolant reservoir tank and it was empty, I also checked the radiator and it was empty as well so i would fill them up and i would be good for a day or two then it would need filling again. I've had this exact problem with a 2002 vw beetle not so long ago and it turned out to be the thermostat so i'm hoping its something as little as that however the seller said that he replaced the water pump with an aluminum one not so long ago. I've tried the engine block test and no yellow fluid so i'm ruling out a blown head gasket for now but I also ran a cooling system compression test to detect any leaks but couldn't find anything so i'm stumped as to what it could be. I would greatly appreciate any help as I would love to get it fixed before its too late.
     
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    Only place we see it leak is because the water pump is shot and its leaking out the water pump weep hole. But you say new seller put on new pump. probably bullsh*t get a flashlight and look at it see if its new. While in there look for leaking coolant down front of block.

    See a few posts lately about really clogged coolant system because it was never maintained and fluid so old it was sludge.

    if you don't see any leaks anywhere its going out the exhaust pipe because you have a blown head gasket. many many reports of blown head gasket from overheat. Aluminum head does not like an overheat. So stop driving the car till you figure it out because you will lunch the motor.

    I suspect you never even checked the coolant level after you bought the car.

    Go on youtube and search Prius Inspection

    It will instruct you on how to put the car in inspection mode where the motor will endlessly run at idle. Take the rad cap off and put it in inspection mode. with car running keep filling it up as it goes down carefully filling it up so you dont drop any on the ground and as it runs watch for leaks.
    If the coolant overflows and it all spits back out you have a severely clogged system.

    First thing I would have bought is a OBD code reader that you can monitor engine temp like ScanGauge as you can use it on any car to pull codes and monitor engine temp. That tool is a necessity unless you like guessing and that will be every $$$$$.
     
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    It may have a new pump and the seller never bled all the air our. It may be air locked. Do my inspection thing that will help get the air out.
     
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    1. When you filled the radiator, how much fluid did you put in? A gallon or more? Did you use the proper pink fluid?
    2. When you refilled it again, how much fluid did you put in at that time?
    3. How far do you normally drive in your car? Under 10 miles at a time?

    If the system was empty, it would require more than 1 gallon of fluid. If you put in less than a gallon, then it probably wasn't empty.
     
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    Ed thanks for your help, I will perform the inspection when I go home after work, I have two obd scanners one regular cable one and a bluetooth as well which I always keep it plugged in and I use torque to see the temperature. My father suspects that it's an air pocket as well but I'll have to see. I don't drive the car too often now which is a bummer cause long trips is what I got it for. I will give this post updates once I perform the inspection. P.S. my cars not giving me any codes or at least not that I know of.
     
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    JC usually it's only a little top up about maybe half a quart and its every other day. I only drive maybe 14 miles on my work days. I will try to post more on my next break.
     
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    P.s. I'm using toyota super long life coolant.
     
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    Update I did the little test and filled it up, it took only half a quart the it stayed to the rim of the radiator. Although once i turned it off I saw that it dropped from the radiator neck to the bottom though I could see coolant in the reservoir. I also did a block engine test just to double check but stayed blue. I am dumbfounded.
     
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    May just be super air locked. Or the engine oil is now a milkshake.

    Put it in inspection mode. If you can jack up the front end so the cylinder head is lower then the rad so the air bubbles can get out and turn on the car's heat at max heat temp. leave rad cap open and Let the engine run and top it off. Watch engine temp on torque.

    Sometimes squeezing the rad hoses help with the bubbles during this procedure. All I know is the engine coolant loop is a stone bitch not to invoke air lock by a full blown coolant change. Which is why I always recommend to posters don't do it.Just dump the rad only a few times over a few months. That works great.

    By the way with the heat on see if you can hear gurgling and whooshing noises in the dash. That's the trapped air bubbles.
     
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    Try changing the radiator cap, should be around $10 at any auto shop
     
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    Ed I will try that tomorrow and keep you updated. Speaking of the hoses the coolant would stay at the rim of the radiator neck until I squeeze the radiator hose and it'll suck it back in, does that mean anything?

    And JC I thought about that too but I pressure tested the cap and it stayed pressurized so I don't know if that's the issue but would you still recommend me to try another one?

    P.S. I'm super grateful for the help you guys are providing me.
     
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    After every drive, the next morning, check the radiator level. I remember I had to fill mine 3 or 4 times before the level stayed full. This is due to the air in the system.

    Also check your heater functions, if there's heat, then things might be normal.

    The radiator cap is probably fine if you've tested it. Keep checking the levels of the radiator, I think you'll find it needing less and less to top off
     
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    Update I drove it around it around town for around 60 miles then stopped for a bite, temperature stayed at 185 constantly so everything was fine. When I went back in the car and started it up it shot up to 230 and was ready to overheat so I drove it home which was only 3 miles away and it spewed the check engine light and 2 codes P0117 and P1116. Needless to say I'm annoyed at this, how can it go from being fine to overheat in one stop? Frankly I'm getting tired of guessing and will take it to a mechanic in 3 days once I'm done with work. Today after the incident I performed what Ed suggested but I'm weary on it's effectiveness. My only concern about taking it to the mechanic is that I've been burned on the past with needless repairs and have grown weary about taking it to a mechanic but I need a reliable car.
     
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    P.S. I hope it's not a blown head gasket but i have the funds to repair it (cheaper than buying another car) but I've read about people just swapping the engine. Whats your guys opinions? Any tips?
     
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    Which part of California are you in?

    I would put in another engine if it's head gasket, but losing that much coolant, will make your oil like a milk shake
     
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    I'm in the Fresno area, and I check my oil cap almost daily and it's no where near the chocolate milkshake look.
     
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    the 117 is the coolant sensor issue the 1116 is coolant flow issues and the CHRS bottle is not happy.

    You have a severely clogged coolant loop. The car was not taken care of very well. The previous owner
    Replaced the pump because the sludge in the engine ruined it is my guess or lol the fan belt is missing and the water pump is not turning. Previous owner saw how bad the engine was and dumped it.

    How bad did the coolant look when you dumped the rad? How bad do the fins look in the rad cap hole? I would take the fan belt off and see how hard it is to turn the water pump by hand.

    Recently there was a few posts about a guy who had a severely clogged coolant loop and was able to flush it out using a product. Use the search forums button up top and find it.
     
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    Really? I'll look into this, so this product should get rid of my problem?
     
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    From the last symptom, I'd be changing the thermostat. It seems to be sticking. I've had new thermostats to this. If it's sticking shut, that would account for the boil-over and over temp condition after you started it back up.
     
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    That's what I figured/hoping, is there a way I can test to see if it's that? Or should I just plain out replace it?