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    World Debut of the Lexus UX, a New Genre of Crossover | LEXUS | TOYOTA Global Newsroom

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    Hat tip to @GasperG who posted this in the TNGA powertrains thread.

     
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    So, the hybrid system's producing significantly more power than I thought it would. That's a good sign.

    I have to do some math to figure out what 80 percent of power to the rear actually means - it won't be 80% of 176 bhp/178 DIN hp/131 kW, at those low speeds.

    Predictive deceleration support was already on the Prime, good to see it moving to other models.

    Predictive SoC control is interesting, and I think that is actually new for Toyota? It's something that some truck hybrid systems have done, AFAIK, and it's a great idea.
     
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    You know, I wonder if that might be some of why the e-Four option didn't come to the US for the Gen 4 Liftback.

    They knew people would rather pay the "crossover" premium (even though this isn't a crossover, it isn't even 60" tall!) for this. And, with Lexus crossover resale value, lease rates may actually be cheaper than for the Prius.
     
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    Any word on pricing? As with any Lexus...I'm sure it's not reasonably priced ( for me ).
     
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    That kind of thing wouldn't be out yet.

    I'd guess a bit more than the CT 200h's MSRP? (Probably a lot higher than the actual sales prices for the CT 200h.) It'll have to be lower than the NX 300 and NX 300h's MSRP.

    Basically, this is a complete guess, but I'm gonna guess about $32k MSRP for the UX 200, and $35k MSRP for the UX 250h (maybe a bit less with a FWD variant).
     
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    To me the most amazing statement in the press release is that they talk about hypermiling, although their statement seems like a contradiction of terms. They make it seem like the vehicle does the hypermiling for you:

    "Some hybrid drivers enjoy using “hypermiling” techniques to maximize fuel efficiency. The Lexus UX 250h introduces new technologies that take hypermiling to new heights. The UX 250h debuts Predictive Efficient Drive, a Lexus-first system that analyzes driving habits and the expected road and traffic conditions to optimize charging and discharging of the hybrid battery. The more the UX 250h is driven, the more data is gathered to help optimize fuel consumption. (The system can be turned off if desired.) "
     
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    Predictive Efficient Drive is included in the upper two trims of the Prius Prime. It works - sometimes. But when it does turn itself on, it does nothing more than what a light application of the brake pedal could do a half block ahead of a stop. Hardly game changing, and not hypermiling. It is a nice addition to have moving forward in design. Currently, it can store up to 1000 stop/slowing spots on often traveled routes, which means local driving.

    But if the PED could also sync with terrain data (which isn't stored in the map data) via GPS, it could be made even more effective, and anywhere, and without recording past trips.
     
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    Isn't the Rav4 Hybrid only available with eAWD? If so, then that will probably be the case with the UX. I think they figure the rear motor into the power equation.
     
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    Yes, as is the Highlander, NX, and RX hybrids.
     
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    The NX was available FWD-only in the US, though, for 2016 IIRC.

    And the Auris with the same powertrain, presumably FWD, has slightly more power, in fact.

    A good approximation of max power on a Toyota hybrid system is engine power plus battery power (that's not exactly accurate, but it'll never be more than that).
     
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    They are not replacements for the Prius v then :(
     
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    Hmm, interesting.

    It's also the first vehicle with the next gen TSS-P (or I guess LSS+) - the one where PCS has cyclist detection. It also has Lexus CoDrive.

    Yeah but the Gen 4's E-Four system is really weak (and it's using an induction motor.. not particularly efficient)
     
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    Not very efficient when in use, maybe, but it means it can freewheel without having to have a freewheel clutch - just de-energize the field.
     
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    none hybrid powertrain.

    UX 200: ULTRA-EFFICIENCY ENGINE AND DIRECT-SHIFT CVT

    Engaging performance and high fuel efficiency are also calling cards of the new, 168-horsepower 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder engine in the UX 200.
     
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    I rented a Ford Fusion Hybrid recently on a northwestern week vacation and found the operation suffered greatly in the mountains with long inclines and declines. I had thought it needed a mountain or hill mode to work better. I read the new capability that learns regular routes would solve this and optimize the operation much better. Example is spread the EV power over the incline and then have the maximum storage available to capture the downhill energy.
     
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    That was also what I remember, and the Highlander and RX were once available in FWD.
     
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