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Will never own a battery pack that is simply air cooled. Sounds like hill agrees. Only Tesla and Chevy have shown they know how to manage/reduce degradation due to temp.

 

How much do Chargepoint patrons pay per kWh at the studio - here at the Anaheim park, it's 28¢/kWh. $1.00 minimum, which works out exactly to $1 if charging @ just 3.3kW's.

Pricy options - OH yea! Nothing better on a 100° day having AC ventilated seats & remote ac activation.

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My local utility cost $30/6 month in their L2 system. They are conviently located at places I like to run or walk my dog (and at the libraries and some stores ). L3's well there are NRG's and Teslas on the highways. I'm sure I'll spend something like $20/year on L3 charging ;-) Each region is different. AFAIK california needs more chargers if they are going to implement their plan, and $1/hr on L2 is probably about right. If you have a phev that only charges at 3.3kw or 3.6kw like the prime or volt, perhaps public for pay chargers in california are not for you. It probably does cost more than $1 for 3.3 Kwh when you include the peak electricity use and maintenance on the chargers, plus the need to make more because the phevs charge so slow ;-) Hey gasoline is inexpensive. That should encourage phev owners with slow evse's to not require public chargers. I'm assuming home electricity rates are around $0.14/kwh in california if you don't have your own solar, making it much less expensive to charge at work or home, and not on the public pay network.

 

That's the problem with all EV's! If only someone could come up with an alternative........wait is there not some futuristic car built by Toyota, that runs on Hydrogen! The future is here and it's only going to get brighter!

 

Minor correction: BMW i3 Long Term Battery Capacity Report: Better Than Expected

Bob Wilson

 

OMG I didn't think there was anyone out there that truly believed hydrogen was best

 

We pay .31 cents per kWh, but the studio does give us a dollar a day to charge, so I was actually paying about $1.34 a day.... not bad.

 

I am not sure what problem you are solving with the mirai or clarity. Please fill us in. If it is the depreciation on the leaf? Well that is mitigated if you lease, which caused a lot of dumped leafs at low prices, but ... at least the leasees weren't stuck. Tesla's appear to hold their value better than other cars in their class. Perhaps that problem with the first gen leaf, volt, and prius phv, is really gone, unless you are silly enough to pay sticker on a new leaf ;-)

The mirai, well you can lease that too, but it will cost you more. Buy it and try to sell it after the 3 years of free fuel? Forgetabout it. It will be a paper weight. Hydrogen will be about $12/kg in california in 3 years and that price is subsidized. If you buy a tesla model 3 (yes there is a wait list over a year long) even at $0.15/kwh renewable electricity, cost per mile of fuel is about $0.18/mile in a mirai in 3 years if you are paying for fuel, and $0.04/mile in a tesla model 3, and about $0.07/mile in a clarity phev if half is $0.15/kwh electricity half $4/gallon gasoline. The toyota prime will cost you less than the clarity if you can make most of the miles electric or gas is as low as its been. Maintenance, from what we have seen it will be highest in the mirai, but its free for the first 3 years, after that, well its going to cost a lot more. Sure the mirai and clarity make some sense to those that want to lease, but they solve no problems for those buying, and lease rates would be much higher if they weren't subsidized by the governments to a much higher level per vehicle than plug-ins.

 

we get the $1 a day also, or 2 bucks if we cycle in, but after cycling just a couple times, 19½ miles with 4 a.m. traffic? Yeah, we'll stick with the car.

and don't forget the trillion-dollar infrastructure issue, if you dared to take it out of state. I used to run 100% propane in an old Econoline van. At least that was doable as there are refueling stations for propane. Even the DC Quick Charge Network is built out enough already - multiple routes across the u.s. for tesla. ½ year ago, 2 dudes broke the u.s. Continental Crossing in a tesla ... 2 days & 3hrs.
Pretty cool you can watch it high-speed here;

Two guys did a coast-to-coast ‘Cannonball Run’ in a Tesla Model S for a new record - The Verge
Try that in a hydrogen-mo-beel? As the industry says - decade after decade - "in just 10 more years".
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Block-to-block speed 54 mph?

Bob Wilson

 

This Model 3 beat it by a half hour:
This orange Tesla Model 3 just drove cross-country from CA to NY

 

Woah!!
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I consider myself a car guy and pretty much like all cars, but there is something about the Tesla that turns me off. I really can't say what it is, maybe it's not so much the car it's self, but the way it has come about and the fan fare for an over priced vehicle. So it's fast, where are ya going to drive like that? It's styling is okay, it's tech will be on every car soon, it's build quality is questionable. I wish I could really like it the way some of you do.....sorry. Please give me something to help me understand what is so great about it, other then it's EV and fast.

 

It's amazing how the cannonball speed record (Continental Crossing) continues to get faster & faster with Ev's - of course that's due to more & more DC quick Chargers.
Fun fact -
Recently the cannonball record was smashed in the Gasser World, by a crew of 3 in a high speed Mercedes, that came stock with two 20 gallon fuel tanks, as well as a 3rd 20 gallon tank added ;

Atlanta man shatters coast-to-coast 'Cannonball Run' speed record - CNN
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From the Jalopnik article:

I've done sensitivity analysis of my BMW i3-REx in HV (i.e. gas mode) and found refueling frequency has a major effect on the block-to-block speed. The deceleration and acceleration are primary effects since their duration is longer than the refueling and typically average 90 degrees to the route.

Bob Wilson

 

Fair enough...and I definitely appreciate the honesty. Different strokes for different folks.

For me I think it's the combination of lots of different things. I hate dealerships and the whole buying process through them. Love autopilot (even though it's far from perfect yet). Love that they are one of the safest vehicles out there. Love that they routinely get updated over the air. And as someone that lives in the midwest and takes long road trips (but still would prefer to drive electric), Tesla is the only option and will be for the foreseeable future.

So, in order, for me:
Superchargers
Safety
Updates
Autopilot
Buying Process
Performance

 

FWIW, I also can understand why people get turned off by Tesla. Years ago I was turned off by Apple for many of the same reason people are probably turned off by Tesla today.

 

Dang near 55mph !! .... by my math, truncating to 3 decimal points ~54.987 mph. That would likely be faster than a semi truck traveling legal speeds, (some areas requiring 55 mph max) having to stop to fill their fuel tanks several times - & necessarily slowing on those steep grades .
iirc - it was 2012 or 2013 that the 1st North/South BC to BC (Baja California / British Columbia) run was made in the Nissan Leaf. CHAdeMO installs were put in - along Interstate 5. There were just enough DC fast chargers to make a relatively quick time possible. But the Nissan Leaf - with its puny / barely above 20 kwh usable traction pack means you have to stop to charge pretty regularly. Coupled with 50kw Max charging speed on the DC - system .... it pretty much becomes just a stunt to prove feasibility, not something you would ever want to actually do. Even the improved Nissan is still not really practical for Interstate travel, not even the 200+ mile version that supposedly will come sometime in the future. Nissan Leaf, 1st one out of the gate with nationwide pure Ev's, starting December 2010, & now they find their self playing catch up, both with battery durability and range.
On a side note, there are some spy shots of the model 3, charging faster than either the model S or X can do. It seems it can recharge above 400mph as compared to the 325ish mph of the S or X. That may very well be how the model 3 snatched the Cannonball record.

Tesla put together a quick battery swap process because fuel cell lobby tried to Cripple EV's - claiming they deserve more CARB credits due to faster filling. Via battery swaps - that was proven to be a lie - as the swap time got down to only 3 minutes, faster than many gas tanks can fill.
2,813.7 InterContinental miles, / over 300 miles range, factoring no more than a 80% charge, at 400mph recharge speed, requiring 10 recharges to get across the nation ... consider 3 minutes to battery swap ... versus 20 minutes recharge time .... a savings of 17 minutes X 10 stops - tesla could easily knock at least 2¾hrs off their next cannonball run if they wanted to.

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Make that a string of Tesla truck chargers along the right route and they'll be able to smash the record. Better still, an average speed exactly equal to 75 mph with a back drop of various highway patrol troopers standing behind.

The Model 3 success is due in no small part to its high efficiency, "27 kWh/100 mi."

Bob Wilson

ps. Sorry about the block-to-block speed:

"2,877 miles" / "51 hours and 47 minutes" ~= 55.6 mph​

Thanks to dog bite, I literally have a fat finger.

 

Celebrating 90+ MPH speeds across the country. Boo.