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Looking at potentially buying a 2010 or 2011 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Ignoranus, Aug 7, 2017.

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  1. Ignoranus

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    I've had some frustrations with cars in recent years (I live in the northeast and made the foolish mistake of not having a car checked for rust before I bought it!) so I've decided to move up my price range (capping at $9k right now) a little bit in the hopes of securing a more reliable ride. The Prius was recommended to me for obvious reasons and I've been looking at two of them that are currently offered on Craigslist by small-time dealers in my area.

    The first one is a 2010 Prius 2 (in a sort of champagne-tan color) with 130k miles that was listed about a month ago at $8k, relisted every week or so at the same rate for three weeks, then dropped to $7k last week. Toyota's website shows the last service of the car at a dealership in 2013, but that doesn't mean service hasn't been performed on it - just not at a Toyota dealership.

    The second one is a 2011 Prius 3 (dark blue) with 90k miles, a pretty fresh listing and a price just a hair shy of my $9k limit. When I looked at the Toyota site info about it, I saw that the most recent service (1/30/17) was a tire balancing but many of the preceding service dates (1/28/17, 7/7/16, 3/15/16, 6/4/15, 2/5/15, 2/4/14, 9/9/13) included "RESET TIRE & MAINTENANCE LIGHT". Is this a normal thing to see on these reports? Edit: I found out this car has been sold, so it's a moot point.

    I'm excited by the possibility of the car but also I'm kind of a big ol' babby when it comes to cars and I'm scared of goofing up badly (again), especially since this will be my first time getting a car loan and having to deal with all of that business.

    Thanks for the help!
     
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    I think so, that's just the maintenance alert light, which pops-up every 5000 miles on US models, if I'm not mistaken.

    Not to burst your bubble, but I've found the suspension frame and bolts very rust prone, even in our conditions: lower mainland BC, Canada. The body not bad though. It's mainly bolts and underbody suspension pieces, they seem to have negligible rust protection coatings. Do get it on a hoist and checked. I'm a bit obsessive, back out all the minor bolts that hold plastic bits, soak them in oil and reinstall. Also did a clean-and-oil-coat, of all the suspension components I could reach.
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply. I assume no matter what that rust is going to be a big risk factor for me - hooray for salt - but at least now I'm aware enough to not get screwed on it again - hopefully.

    Does the other Prius going for $7k w/130k miles throw up any red flags, generally speaking? The number seems more or less in line with what Kelley Blue Book lists for the year/mileage.
     
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    All things considered I'd go for the one with the lower miles and higher price. If the the $7K one has been sitting for a while, and they're dropping the price, that says to me potential buyers are coming to look at it and walking away? I wonder if the champagne/tan extends to the interior colour? Our last car had a light tan interior, and it's almost impossible to keep clean.

    Also, and unfortunately, 130K miles is when some mechanical issues seem to crop up, typically the Exhaust Gas Recirulation circuit clogging (poor design).

    For sure you'd want to look over and test drive. Without seeing the car you never know. And look beyond the armoralled wheels and steam cleaned engine. In my mind factors like that are almost negatives: while they were tarting it up, what were they hiding?
     
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    Doing more hunting, I found two other 2010s with ~130k miles in my area at the same price point. I'll definitely be trying to be more suspicious the next time I am test driving a car, though.

    With further searching, there's a dealer about a half hour away that has a 2010 with 90k miles for $8900. Toyota's site says it's still pending the curtain side airbag recall from last year (safety recall G0U?) but when I called my local Toyota dealership, they claimed they weren't having too much difficulty scheduling and completing those recalls and that they're generally scheduled ~2 weeks out. I'm basically just posting this for reassurance that this doesn't sound unusual or crazy in some way. Thanks for the hand-holding.
     
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    No dealer is supposed to sell you a vehicle without all recalls being completed.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Does it affect anything that the dealer is not a Toyota dealer but a small local used car place?
     
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    If they are licensed to sell vehicles I think it applies. I had it done on my 2011 and it took very little time.

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    if cash is an issue, have you considered a fuel efficient non hybrid?
     
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    Not specifically, though I suppose I should consider all of my options. I get a little overwhelmed sometimes, so when presented with the idea that a Prius is a good idea, I've been zoning in on it and trying to make sure it is (or isn't) before I get myself stressed over other kinds of cars, too. I know, I'm a crazy person in my own, non-car-guy way.

    I did go check out the 2010 Prius 3 w/90k miles (listed at $8900) this morning. The dealership was a tiny place that had been around for a while with one dude who is the owner/salesperson and a bunch of mechanics. When we got in it, I noticed that the TPMS light was on - asked the guy and he said they had just installed four new tires and that most likely one of them was a little out of whack on pressure. More on that later.

    We test drove it and while it did take a little getting used to - I've been driving a 5-speed manual Nissan Sentra for the last ten months or so - I found myself really enjoying it by the end. I did bring it to my mechanic to have it looked at (and in the process got to do some pretty chill interstate driving) and he gave it a mostly-clean bill of health. Very little rust on the car; he confirmed the tires were new and that they had recently replaced the bearings on the rear wheels.

    Passenger side mirror can't be actuated by the controls - I gently pushed it into position instead.
    Front marker lights are all out. Mechanic diagnosed this as just a bulb issue, figuring it was probably missed since the headlights/turn signals still work normally, but I'm not sure how into the nitty-gritty he went. Should I be concerned about this?
    There were no TPMS sensors on the nice new tires. Mechanic hedged his bets a bunch (rubber stems, could be TPMS sensors with rubber stems because that's a thing but unlikely) and said he'd reset it before I left so we could be sure it wasn't something else weird.
    He also noted there were no floor mats, but that doesn't really bother me very much.

    When I drove away, the TPMS light blinked for a bit, then went solid for the remainder of the (~25 minute) drive. When I got back and told the salesperson that there were no TPMS sensors (and that the mechanic had double-checked by VIN to confirm the car should have them), he looked surprised and said something like, "What, does it have rubber stems?" and I said I believed so. He went outside and checked the tires, then said he would get them installed. It certainly seemed like he didn't know about the TPMS sensors before I told him.

    Aside from the issues noted above, my mechanic's other written note was "The car is in pretty nice shape overall." I'm a little concerned about the issue with the lights, but I'm liking the car and am inclined to go for it unless you folks think any of this sounds bad/fishy/whatever.
     
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    some 2010's start burning a good bit of oil around 100k, but there's no way to know until you own it.
     
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    Mats were an accessory, not standard.

    There's a reason why the car is on a bandit lot. All the marker lights are "burned out", the TPMS sensors are missing, and the mirror is broken.

    I don't remember reading any threads concerning multiple bulb issues. I just replaced tires on Mom's Malibu and the tire sensors were a non-issue. I can't believe the low end ones on the Prius are any worse.

    The easy way to check the tire sensors is to have the same pressure in all four tires and press the reset button on the lower dash. Either the idiot light goes out or it doesn't.

    Register the VIN at http://www.toyota.com/owners to see the dealer service history.

    I am not taking my 2010 in for the side curtain airbag recall. Download the sales brochure so you'll know what was & wasn't included at each level.
     
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    I would consider buying 2012 prius and up. The later models has lot of minor issues such as oil burning, brake actuator problems, rough idles etc etc... I have a 2012 with no issues but I've read a lot of the 2010's and 2011's with issues... so do read up on it before considering a Prius with problems you don't know how to fix and then end up spending more money than you wanted.
     
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    I took note of the mats thing because I thought it was funny he would bother mentioning it and assumed you guys would think so, too. Like... yeah, I noticed that, too.

    Can I ask why you are electing to not have the side curtain airbag recall completed?
     
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    In my opinion, it's so difficult to really give a solid opinion on the internet about a used car.
    But in general of course, the more information you can know about the vehicle before you buy it the better. The more you can know about what condition it is in, service history, ownership history, the better. I would like an independent mechanic to check it out at best, at the least? I want a Carfax.

    Now, this is the really cynical part. If I'm at a dealership? I really don't trust ANYTHING anyone tells me. That doesn't mean the dealership is evil, lying or anything, it just means I assume they are there to try to sell me the vehicle. Whether what they are telling me about it is true or false or somewhere in between almost doesn't matter. It's my responsibility as potential buyer to find out as much as I can, and I like channels that aren't necessarily tied to the dealership attempting to sell me the vehicle.

    At minimum? I want a Carfax. And as stated above, if I have the money and time? I would want an independent inspection by a outside mechanic specifically being paid to give me an independent and separate evaluation. With a Prius? This should be a technician trained and familiar with Prius and Hybrids. Probably a Toyota dealership or a dedicated Hybrid repair shop.

    If you can afford it? I would also recommend perhaps bumping your search up to the 2012, I believe it was 2012 when Toyota did the 3rd Gen Refresh.-I think. Some minor tweaks, and there have been reports of 2010's burning oil early.

    My only other observation? You seem to have initiated and limited your search to dealerships on Craigslist?
    Sometimes I like private party. The same evaluation standards should apply, but sometimes I feel like I can get a better grasp on how a vehicle has been maintained and treated by actually talking to the owners. Especially if it's a 1 owner vehicle. This isn't a hard rule. Private Individuals can lie and mislead as well, but I kind of trust my own people evaluation skills. Plus, if you are looking at the vehicle at the persons residence...well you can tell a lot about how someone might of treated their vehicle, by how they treat their own Garage, Yard, Home. Also, I feel dealerships will always make the most profit possible. I feel that "sometimes" better deals can be found private party.

    Small independent dealerships??? They can be good and bad. Which I suppose is true of people as a whole.

    Really, all I can recommend is whatever you choose? Try to get as much information about it's history and current condition. Which is obvious. But with a used vehicle? That's really about all you can do.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Thanks very much for the advice. I'm hesitant to move up to the 2012 instead of the 2010 just because it means adding another $3k to the loan/up-front cost and that spooks me a bit. I know, as mentioned earlier - "Why not look at an efficient non-hybrid?" I am, as well, I just like the idea of a Prius, too.

    edit: I did start my searches on Craigslist but the one that I actually test drove, I found using the search engine on cars.com instead.

    Further question: when I see a car listed as "Prius Base", is that a Prius 1? I've read that those are better to steer clear of because they're the least-featured but also that they are usually ones that were in fleets and may not have been treated well. Do I have the right understanding there?
     
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    Our 2010 doesn't consume any oil between changes, so far. Only 80K kms so far though.
     
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    To me a "Base" means it doesn't have an option package. For example, for 2010 there is a III Solar (includes solar roof & nav), a III Nav (includes nav), and a III (base). Don't believe the trim levels posted on the ads. That "One" or "Base" might be a Two or a Three. However, that "Five" is probably a Two or a Three.

    I am not having any of the recalls done because I don't want anyone tearing the car apart. I am also not getting any guarantee or recourse should the car's performance suffer.
     
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