Featured Toyota Canada Prices 2017 Prius Prime!!

Canada and the USA have some differences so forgive my ignorance:

• "exclusive Quebec" - does this mean Canadians from other provinces can not buy the car or do they just give up the Quebec 'rebate' that I would face from any out of state purchase?
• Do Canadians face similar crappy rules (i.e., Toyota has to write a letter) trying to buy a USA car that US citizens face trying to buy a Canadian car?
• I did not see a reference to TSS-P, did I miss something?

For what it is worth, I'm glad to see the Prime in Canada!

Bon chance! Laissez le bon temps rouler,

Bob Wilson

 

TSS-P is mentioned in the second link as standard if you choose Quebec.

 

@Tideland Prius
I'm also curious about Bob's first two points?? Any answers to that?

 

I'm in Ontario and called a Quebec dealer, asking if I can buy a Prime. Got a very clear "no". All Quebec prime sales *must* be to Quebec residents and get Quebec plates, no exceptions.

Furthermore, if you're still thinking of trying to work around this, read the rules of the Ontario incentive - it says it's ok to buy a car out of province (out of country even) and apply for the incentive, BUT, the incentive is only valid on the vehicles listed in the incentive. Currently, the prime is not listed, so I guess there's no Ontario incentive on it.

 

@Tideland Prius What is PED? What is your best guess on whether we will get Entune for the 2018 Prius and Prius Prime?

 

predictive efficient driving. the car is supposed to learn your route and improve mpg's based upon the data.

 

As far as Alberta is concerned, we have a NDP government for the time being ("left wing" for those Americans who are scratching their heads on that term). They have instituted a "Carbon Tax", are paying "Carbon Tax rebates", have two programs using some of the money collected from the carbon tax to help Albertans convert their houses to better efficiency (Ecobee thermostat, LED lights, water efficient showerheads etc). They have indicated that so far they don't think rebates for EVs or Hybrids are a "good thing". That may change in the future. They -are- consulting with "green guys".

It's surprising that only a small fraction of "Red Neck Albertans" are screaming. Perhaps many see the benefit of moving on with the times. Perhaps we WILL see EV credits or requirements in the future. One can only hope.

For now, when Toyota Canada deems it prudent, we will pay "full price" for a Prime, like true Canadians (just check out what we have to pay for other things - an "Amazon Echo" costs $333 Can. for example, compared to $170 US - Amazon.ca compared to Amazon.com).

 

Just tell them it is so you'll be able to sell more tar sand oil the dumb Yanks.

I know your prices are higher than expected but I've had a touch of your winters once. Not sure what "Echo" is but sounds dreadfully expensive. How about something we can relate too ... pint of Guiness?

Bob Wilson

 

You and Alaska also get the more 'aggressive' battery heater.

 

Aggressive indeed ! We had an Alaskan Gen 4 engine heater caught fire.

 

There is a place on the engine where it just bolts on. The Alaskan dealer initially routed the power cable so it interfered with the grille shutters. After getting an error the owner rerouted the cable.
I suspect the cable had internal damage and the front of the car was destroyed. The insurance company was blaming the cable and investigating further last I heard.

 

From the operation description, it sounded like it was simply a software difference. Toyota HQ could just be using latitude to determine which markets have which active. The cold market setting likely helps with start up efficiency, and might prevent entering HV mode right away when things got too cold. I don't see how not having it in the cold market, or having it in a warm market, could lead to issues that would lead to damage.

That sounds like an engine block heater, and that is a common option for all cars in areas with harsh winters. Really cold places can call for coolant and starter battery heaters.

The Prime has a traction battery heater. Charging the majority of Li-ion chemistries at temperatures below freezing require doing so at a much slower rate to avoid damage. A simple heater is the KISS solution to allowing charging at near normal rates. The Prime's heater is programed to keep the battery at a low set temp for a set period of time; it doesn't want to waste electric maintaining temp if the car is being parked for a week. Alaska and Canada have the heater stay on for longer than in the lower US. The specifics are in the owner's manual I believe.

 

^ Yeah I was getting befuddled. There's a battery heater for the Prime (something new), and engine block heater (been around for donkey's years).

Trying to finetune car parameters for climate based on on international borders seems a little misguided: lower mainland BC, Canada, vs Fargo, North Dakota, USA for example.

 

Until you consider the effect of borders on the company's supply chain and technician training.

 

Pour le 1er point ui

For the first question: yes