Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

Nah - just more windings
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Bob Wilson was a man i have followed on this forum for couple years before i have decided to try for first time hybrid ....and now i have 2 prime cars and i have never been more happy.....they are made very good....no disappointment

 

I have long fingers, big warm hands, and EEE 10.5 shoes. I have been told by experts that my magnet is big enough.

Bob Wilson

 

I was wondering what the capacity of the heating system of the Prime is. For the Ioniq in the first 5 minutes the (heat pump based) heater can consume a power level of up to 6 or 7 kW, what for me was a surprisingly high power level. I heat my house using a heat pump at a maximal power less than half of that power level; such a domestic heat pump typically costs between 5000 and 10000 euro. So the car could heat two houses as mine!

Due to this first five minutes boost, already within a couple of minutes the car is warm, which is very nice for cold days, and a much better care for your physical appearance than any ICE car can do. Best is to do this boost as preheating from the wall, then it does not decrease your range; otherwise these first 5 minutes can decrease the range by about 4 km or 2.5 mile.

Is the Prime showing a similar pattern? Is all the heating done by the heat pump, or is there assistance by an additional resistance heater for the boost effect? I suppose the Prime also enables preheating?

 

the problem is what are they comparing them to? tesla? some sporty Mercedes they just finished testing?

what matters is what the potential owner thinks of the cars on the test drive, BUT at times what cars get on the test drive short list can depend on what car reviewers say in their reviews

also more people are using forums like this and ioniqforums if they are considering 2 cars that are in many ways competitors in a similar size market segment, to see pro's and con's from both sides of the fence. over here on a prius forum many would expect a pro Prius / anti Ioniq and on ioniqforums pro Ioniq / anti prius bias but many will be surprised there is not so much bias as they would think so long as both sides are open minded which is what I have seen here

but they can be positives as you guys here may highlight something on the ioniq the reader might not have thought about and visa versa on the Ioniqforum about the prius,

so as long as the reader has questions to ask the dealer or check out on the test drive they then have information to make an informed decision on the cars

so long as the forum is friendly and informative that is the main thing

 

This page says 'Ioniq hybrid and EV .... coming this Winter' ...
Under specs, no mention of EV range, not even an approximation.

Sketchy

The New Ioniq - One Car Three Options | HyundaiUSA

 

i have heard 100 miles or so, maybe 120? someone in the netherlands has one and has a thread here on their experiences.

 

They've gotten EPA certified results, it's 124 miles EPA range:


2017 Hyundai Ioniq Electric

 

Yep, and that's a great start...
but in the real world the metric we need to know is how many KWs does the car use to drive a steady 60mph on flat ground, climate controls off, 60F temp and compare to the prime under the same circumstances.

My volt with fully inflated tires (not stock) at about 80F uses around 12kw instantaneously at 60mph on a good day. Ioniq under the same circumstances should be lower.

We will see once folks have them in the real world

 

Yes, I want to see real world results of the hybrid/plug-in ioniq in the wilds of the USA before making any decisions. However, I am extremely interested in it nonetheless. It's nice that Toyota appears to have some real legit competiton here.

There is another thread open about this but the lifetime battery warranty on the ioniq (to original owner). Looks like a great decision by Hyundai. Appears that it applies to the plug-in and EV models as well. This seems like a great marketing move by Hyundai because 'battery replacement anxiety' certainly does still exist...even though us 'enthusiasts' know it will most likely be a non-issue.

 

Now if they could just get a Monroney sticker ... oh they'd need a car to put it on.

Bob Wilson

 

anyone read anything regarding its thermal management?

the real world is NOT heater/AC turned off on flat ground only. We need to see if something will do 124 miles pulling a hill - with outside temp's around 30°f. If it does 124 miles under THOSE conditions - then that's all you need to know. No one wants to guess whether they'll be stranded under the atypical conditions. they just need to know the least it'll do.
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Impossible to compare apples to apples that way, won't know max range.

Also the Ioniq seems to be more efficient than normal in cold weather, which is nice but a metric all to itself

 

Max range doesn't matter, though. Worst-case range is what matters for the "I can buy this car and it can do everything I need it to" factor.

 

it's NOT impossible - it's just manufacturers don't want to have to advertise that truthfully. They want to tell you there 3 ton SUV gets 19mpg during a constant speed. They are FORCED to tell you 'city' mpg is 12mpg. The manufacturing lobby would fight tooth & nail if they were required to tell you, "But in 20°f temps, loaded with 800lbs of passengers pulling a grade = 9mpg.
If you're hauling 25 or 30 gallons of gas it doesn't really matter your mpg is horrible - because there's a refueling station just a few miles down the road. But if your vehicle can only go 100 miles, then that worst case scenario is a whole lot more important - especially when the infrastructure for the ionic is so pathetic.

 

Yes but worst case is 40 below driving through a foot of snow with drifts, and I wouldn't mind that metric either for all cars, based on real world feedback the Ioniq does well in cold comparatively at least

 

I just opened a thread within the Other Cars section: Hyundai Hybrids and EVs.

 

Now you can find an overview of reported real world range numbers under varying conditions in this new thread, post #3.

 

Do you realise that using European standardised stock numbers for testing was the reason vdub was able to cheat the test figures? They give you your 'apples with apples' comparison you find so appealing, BUT and is a really big BUT, they are absolutely useless for real world driving - no matter where you are, the climate, or any other variable.

 

Can you explain this more?