Bush does something good for the environment

Interesting concept.

 

Very cool - big oil will not let this one escape, I'm sure, but I'd love to see it on the road someday nonetheless.

-m.

 

Storage ain't the issue. The issue is, where do you get the energy to produce the hydrogen? Anyone see Bush promoting alternative energy? Nope! He wants to produce the hydrogen from fossil fuels. And then there's the question of the gargantuan cost of fuel cells. This is all just part of Bush's effort to derail effective energy solutions and keep us dependent on oil, gas, and coal.

 

Daniel,

You are a true cynic. I only wish I didn't agree with you so often.

 

I see no info on the energy required to create the glass microspheres. The more I study on the hydrogen economy, the more I see it as a distracting pipe dream that serves to drain resources away from more viable and sustainable options.

Have no fear, Bush is not going to surprise us by doing something that might be good for the environment. If he does, he will be even more shocked than us by the accident.

 

I really don't understand how Bush and these oil executives can keep this up. I mean, do they hate their grandchildren? Are they determined to ruin the planet before they die? Is this spite? Stupidity? Shortsightedness? Greed?

If they took their massive profits and invested in renewable sources like wind and solar, oil companies could easily dominate these new industries (in terms of manufacturing and maintenance) for generations to come. So what's keeping them?

 

Planning for the future is great. But at the expense of tomorrow, no way.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what the federal hydrogen project is doing. All of the funding is for fuel-cell vehicles & infrastructure develop. Not a single cent of that can be used toward full-hybrids, even though much of the same electronics could be used in fuel-cell vehicles too... electric-motors, electric-steering, electric-A/C, electric-heaters, by-wire shifting, by-wire brakes, by-wire interfaces, etc. And of course, any efficiency improvements made to them for hybrid used would also directly benefit fuel-cell vehicles.

Remember, a fuel-cell is an energy converter, not a propulsion system.

Also, keep in mind that hydrogen can be extracted from many sources, including gas.

 

Solar, Wind Power, and in the distant future Fusion, will be the key to energy along with Fossil Fuel Reserves for things only it can do(i.e. Jet Travel). But as with the shot to the moon of the 60's you have to put money into R&D to bear fruit. The cynics all see the efforts to develop a hydrogen economy as merely a boondoggle or an attempt to keep big oil in control. I see it in a different light. Much development is also going into renewable forms of energy.

In my community we are soon to be the recipients of a giant wind farm. Much development is still needed but we have to start somewhere. I hope we do get into a hydrogen economy but from renewable sources.

Peace,

Fr. Bill

 

No. Their goal is to ruin the planet after they die. Suck up everything they can, live the good life, and leave the planet uninhabitable. Their attitude is: "If I have to die, why should anyone else be able to continue living?"

 

I grew up in the 70s & remember the oil embargo (through a child's eyes). For a time, cars did get smaller & there was conservation efforts. But now kids of that generation are running the world, and we drive bigger cars, have bigger houses, and won't drink water unless it's from a plastic bottle "bottled at the source". Save the planet for our kids! Yea, right. Don't expect any gratitude.

The attitudes you mention above have always existed and will continue to exist until the very end.

 

Bush doe something good for the environment

 

The Bush Boys

I don't think the Bush Boys are all evil monsters bent on destroying Earth, but their hunger for more and more personal wealth, regardless of future consequences, is a giant freakin leap in that direction. I DO believe Bush himself is a bit of a dim bulb, but his buddies in D.C. are not stupid. Foolish, extremely shortsighted, arrogant, greedy-yes. Someday, I just hope we can elect leaders with real brains and real compassion. Only then will our future be bright.

 

Re: The Bush Boys

I agree, if only because I don't think there are any James Bond villains in real life (except for Rupert Murdoch). But at some point, doesn't a person have "enough power" and "enough wealth." Bush is suppose to be the most powerful man on Earth... is there a cherry on top that I don't know about?

My brainfreeze comes with him and his children. Everyone loves their children, and the basic instinct of humans is to sacrifice and work hard to give your children a life better than you had. I wonder if Bush has even thought about the environmental consequences of his policies, and how they'll affect the lives of his daughters and (in another 10 years?) grandchildren. Does he not think that far ahead? He's not a monster, so he must care. . .

The only reason I can think of is that he does not believe in global warming. And I suppose that if the only environmental data he's ever heard came from oil companies and the like, he might just accept their conclusions as fact.

(on a related note, an episode of Bullshit! went after the environmental movement, hard. Can anyone point me to some solid data regarding global warming? I'd just like to see it for myself. Thanks).

Also, I once heard someone say something to the effect of: "the total amount of emissions caused by mankind since the start of the industrial revolution is less than that caused by the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius." Anyone got something on this one too? Thanks again : )

 

G.W. is such a moron that he might not even grasp the concept that population explosions eventually ruin their own environment and die out. But most past presidents are not that stupid, and G.W.'s advisors are not stupid people. I believe they really don't care, and/or they believe that their personal wealth will carry their own kids through the collapse. Or their own personal greed has allowed them to convince themselves (as we all hope) that maybe the crash will wait until they (and perhaps their kids) die. Hey, the numbers are uncertain enough that we really don't know when it will come, so maybe it won't come in my lifetime.

 

remember a movie about the future in which humanity was forced underground because the air was too poluted to breathe any more.

however there were skyscrapers that was environmentally sealed and had air filters pumping in filtered air but only the very very rich could afford to live in them while the rest of the peon population lived underground in unfiltered dangerous air.

although the story is fiction, lets face it, in a "push comes to shove" world, the people who can afford the money will live a good life no matter what the situation even if living means being sealed up in a glass cage. may not be ideal, but i guess it would be preferable to a slow death breathing posinous air.

after all, one only has to look at the oil barrons in the middle east and their lifestyles as compared to the average peasant. that is the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be.

that is why bush seems to not care about the future. because as long as you got a lot of money, your future is insured. so his method of insuring his grandchildrens future is to continue to collect the money no matter what he has to do to get it.

 

Dave, I remember several movies along those lines (and books too). But in most of those movies, don't the poor, downtrodden usually rise up and kill their rich, elite masters?

Saudi Arabia is pretty unstable too. The lives that the Saudi princes live could be ended any day now by a civil war or jihad. Surely, Bush must at least know THAT.

Sorry, I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that the man with his finger on the button is a total moron, who's probably mentally unfit to teach high school.

 

That IS a mind-blowing fact of our lives! You'd think or hope that Those In Power would've selected a candidate a with a lot more neurons firing. This poor bastard seems clueless about so many things.

 

i wish i could remember the name of the movie i was thinking about. the premise of the movie went where workers who controlled the fresh air supply (since it was the #1 commodity) had one guy who was killed. his son then found out that the reason his father was killed was because he found out something about the air underground being bad which caused people living in it to become somewhat confused which made them easier to control. the people in the towers not only knew about it but made sure the poison was always high enough to keep the masses under control...

as i remember it, it was a fairly large budget movie with at least one or two big name stars in it.

but anyway, its commentary on socialism is significant in that no matter what happens, the money will buy you a life. (well most of the time... might be hard to convince Ken Lay of that right now...)

 

That sounds a lot like "Brave New World" (the book that is), only without the polluted air.

I think The Time Machine had something similar in the far, far future, in terms of a master race above ground and a slave-producer race underground.