Hybrid Racing stories

ziggo · Jun 13, 2006

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Driven conservatively, the Prius gets 65-70, so still quite a bit better than 50. Plus, if you are talking about all motorcycles, you can't say all get 50 mpg. Larger bikes may only be getting 30-40 mpg, even worse compared to the Prius. So in terms of the gas bill only, the motorcycle rider's wallet is probably lighter than the Prius drivers.
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Just so everyone knows this bike gets about 30MPG. If you want to say bikes get 30MPG you need to realize what you are getting.

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos...2FF38FFE441.htm

Half the efficiency and half the 1/4 mile time. Bone Stock runs 9.6-9.9. I personally would take the pretty decent mileage and the 1/4 mile time. But everyone has an opinion.

My first bike would get 50+ MPG and I wrung its neck. My current one stays above 40 and will run (according to other tests I havent been to a drag strip) a 13 sec 1/4 mile easy.

LTBlackBird · Jun 13, 2006

Tideland Prius @ Jun 13 2006 said: ↑

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lol... you're still denying the Jetta TDI gets to 60 longer than a Prius.

Don't believe me? Take a look at this

http://www.drivingtelevision.com/segmentvi...e=First%20Drive

he's anti-hybrid but I'm sorry.. how long did it take? he said 12.5 secs to 100km/h. That's slower than the Prius DESPITE your supposed 177lb-ft of torque. (The new Jetta TDI supposed takes 11.6 seconds)

Now tell me, how does a 4 cylinder CAMRY with "only" 161lb-ft] 4,000rpm take ~10 seconds to reach 60 and weighs 3307lbs vs. 3197 lbs...

I like how they boast about torque since, yes, torque is what helps you accelerate but most diesels are turbocharged and hence they get flat torque curves.. oh.. why don't we compare it to a turbocharged gas engine then? It has a flat torque curve too. Despite that, they still lose to a 4 cylinder non-turbo Camry that weighs more lol.

Btw, I think it's 55 Imp. mpg.. that'll be 5.12L/100km which is pretty good since Driving Television said they got 6.6L/100km on their 200km Hybrid Commuter Challenge. So props to you for getting such good mileage but ya.. 860 miles.. you're forgetting tank size.

Btw, diesel is more expensive than regular where I live.
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IT DOESNT MATTER!!!! 11.3 TO 60 IS NOT BETTER THAN 11.6, AFTER THAT LONG OF A TIME .3 SECONDS DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE!! ITS LIKE A BILLIONARE WORRYING ABOUT GETTING THE WRONG CHANGE, WORRYING ABOUT A CAR HAVING MORE POWERTHEN THE OTHER WHEN THEY BOTH FAIL TO HAVE EVEN 150 HP IS STUPID, I JUST CHANGE MY HEADS AND I'VE PICKED UP MORE POWER THEN YOUR ENTIRE CAR MAKES, NO MATTER HOW MANY BATTERIES IT HAS
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caliprius83 · Jun 13, 2006

Ok, Comparitively american cars handle like shit. American cars have been and always will be primarily straightline cars, with the "handling cars" being the european.
also, a prius will do wel against a 80's mustang 5.0 uphil and on a turn, 5.0 mustangs like moast american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.
and as for the motorcycle, yes i realise that they are much faster then the prius i was meerly stating that the torque of the prius of the line was impressive enough that I was able to keep up with the bike till he shifted at which point his power band kicked in.
and to the person who wants to race me, i supose i am up for it.
Lastly, I am pleased of all the people who poasted on here, it actualy has surprised me quite alot at the number of poasts. and the fact is that moast of us are just curious as to how our car matches up in the automotive world.
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Jonnycat26 · Jun 13, 2006

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Ok, Comparitively american cars handle like shit. American cars have been and always will be primarily straightline cars, with the "handling cars" being the european.
also, a prius will do wel against a 80's mustang 5.0 uphil and on a turn, 5.0 mustangs like moast american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.
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Look, to all the people who are coming in from other forums... not all of us Prius owners are as misguided as this guy. I know Prius would not do 'wel' against a mustang 5.0 'uphil' or on a turn, and I know that 'moast' American sport/sporty cars do handle well.

Sigh.

caliprius83 · Jun 13, 2006

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Look, to all the people who are coming in from other forums... not all of us Prius owners are as misguided as this guy. I know Prius would not do 'wel' against a mustang 5.0 'uphil' or on a turn, and I know that 'moast' American sport/sporty cars do handle well.

Sigh.
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infact sadly my prius brethren, you are wrong. because it did happen. and american cars are ment to go fast in a streight line and then take the line away from the cars that handle blocking them through the turns. i have been to a race track and seen how these cars handle. american is v8 agressive power in a strait line. european is handling and finess. and asian is alil of each.
well i know you will think what you will, but i did what i said i did. and i do realise that outside of these circumstances the prius would have no chance.

LTBlackBird · Jun 13, 2006

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Look, to all the people who are coming in from other forums... not all of us Prius owners are as misguided as this guy. I know Prius would not do 'wel' against a mustang 5.0 'uphil' or on a turn, and I know that 'moast' American sport/sporty cars do handle well.

Sigh.
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Thank you, all this crap about solid rear axles not handling well, ummm no. A properly set up solid rear is just as good on the track as an independent rear set up, the indepents main advantage is ride comfort, it ubsorbs bumps a lot better then the solid rears. And again, look at the new Corvette ZO6, it goes around Top Gear's track faster then Lambo's and Ferrari's.

hobbit · Jun 13, 2006

You can simply *stow* your street-bully little "challenges", okay?
Enjoy your vehicles as you choose. Example: I'm helping with a
gig up in Laconia, over Bike Week, and there I am in my Prius
mixin' it up with the hogs and choppers to get on and off site.
While some of the guys might actively scorn the "cagers", sure, I've
been finding that I can actually chat about hybrids and harleys at
the same time with them, and they're amused when I imply that my own
vehicle enjoyment is largely silent -- they can make the noise for me.
I don't disrespect how they have fun on the roads, and don't expect
them to disrespect how I do. It's not like I'm about to try racing
them, f'krissake.
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Lighten up, and spare us the pseudo tough-guy talk. It's OLD.
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_H*

lambo · Jun 13, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(caliprius83 @ Jun 13 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]270817[/snapback]</div>

also, a prius will do wel against a 80's mustang 5.0 uphil and on a turn, 5.0 mustangs like moast american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.
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NICE! compare your current car to a 20 year old car.

amazing. f'in amazing...

zackkahry · Jun 13, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(caliprius83 @ Jun 13 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]270817[/snapback]</div>

Ok, Comparitively american cars handle like shit. American cars have been and always will be primarily straightline cars, with the "handling cars" being the european.
also, a prius will do wel against a 80's mustang 5.0 uphil and on a turn, 5.0 mustangs like moast american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.
and as for the motorcycle, yes i realise that they are much faster then the prius i was meerly stating that the torque of the prius of the line was impressive enough that I was able to keep up with the bike till he shifted at which point his power band kicked in.
and to the person who wants to race me, i supose i am up for it.
Lastly, I am pleased of all the people who poasted on here, it actualy has surprised me quite alot at the number of poasts. and the fact is that moast of us are just curious as to how our car matches up in the automotive world.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(caliprius83 @ Jun 13 2006, 08:43 PM) [snapback]270827[/snapback]</div>

infact sadly my prius brethren, you are wrong. because it did happen. and american cars are ment to go fast in a streight line and then take the line away from the cars that handle blocking them through the turns. i have been to a race track and seen how these cars handle. american is v8 agressive power in a strait line. european is handling and finess. and asian is alil of each.
well i know you will think what you will, but i did what i said i did. and i do realise that outside of these circumstances the prius would have no chance.
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Did you skim over my post? Let me quote myself:

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Ignorance is bliss, i see? I guess I'll start from the beginning, as this post is riddled with fallacies and ignorance, but don't worry, i think i can help. I'll start with Domestics and handling, as this was probably the stupidest thing i've read all day. 2006 Corvette z06 anyone? Hell, both the c5 and c6 are examples of fine American automobiles that Handel quite well. But let us assume that those are out of your price range, how about F-Body's? You know, those slow, loud polluting machines, those rednecks and their trans ams and camaros. Well golly, what's this? oh, it's jimbo handing you your nice person.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...5&page_number=1

well isnt that odd, the measly american muscle car beat out the S2000, Boxster S, BMW M Coupe, and the SLK 320. I guess what I said was true then, perhaps you should do some research, or have a general understanding of the subject before spouting off random bullshit, hmm?[/b]
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as you can see, the camaro outperforms a plurality of cars on the road course. Both Japanese and european, and as you can see the vette does even better.

BTW I've been meaning to ask you guys this- How do your farts smell? You guys should tune in to comedy central at 10 pm (est) and check out the show they will be playing, it will really inspire you, i promise

StealthZ · Jun 13, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(caliprius83 @ Jun 13 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]270817[/snapback]</div>

Ok, Comparitively american cars handle like shit. American cars have been and always will be primarily straightline cars,

american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.

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You have absolutely no clue.

American cars can't handle? Why don't you tell me who won Sebring this year? Oh yeah, Team Corvette dominates their class. They consistently blow away Team Ferrari, Team Aston Martin, Team Porsche, etc. The Corvette C6R went on to win its class at every race it entered in the 2005 ALMS season.

I know what you're going to say. "That's a race car, American street cars can't handle well." You are wrong in that respect too. Go look up the top times from Nurburgring and tell me what cars can do it in under 8 minutes. The 2006 Corvette Z06 did it in 7:46, just a few seconds shy of a $400,000 Porsche Carrera GT. The 06 Z06 wipes the floor around a road course with Porsche Turbos, Lamborghini Gallardos, Aston Martins, Mercedes (including the SL55 AMG), BMW M6s, Lamborghini Diablos, Ferrari 575's, etc. I could go on forever. So check your facts next time you decide to make such a blatantly incompetent statement such as "American cars handle like crap." Whether on a road course or in a straight line atleast one american car (the 06+ Z06) is toatlly dominating some of the best cars Europe has to offer.

Tideland Prius · Jun 13, 2006

To be fair, that's the only car. Tiff Needell of Fifth Gear (ex racing driver from UK) actually liked the Z06... that's about it. They usually mock the others. In another comparison, they preferred the standard Corvette over the Viper so yes, be proud the Corvette is American cause it's a darn good car for what it's worth but that's about it.

Jonnycat26 · Jun 13, 2006

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To be fair, that's the only car. Tiff Needell of Fifth Gear (ex racing driver from UK) actually liked the Z06... that's about it. They usually mock the others. In another comparison, they preferred the standard Corvette over the Viper so yes, be proud the Corvette is American cause it's a darn good car for what it's worth but that's about it.
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That may be true... but I have a odd feeling a G6, Fusion, Malibu, Cobalt, Focus, or what have you is going to run rings around my Prius (or any Prius) on a skidpad. Or stop much better. And whatnot.

It's not just the 'vette that handles well.

Stoic · Jun 13, 2006

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and to the person who wants to race me, i supose i am up for it.[/b]
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Great, what day and time works best for you? I work Thursday-Monday, but anytime after 9pm works for me. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are all open too. I'd much rather race on an industrial road because racing on streets with traffic is dangerous and reckless. Also, if you're available late at night, the highways are usually open and good for some 40-100mph races.

I'm dead serious btw. Name the place, day, and time, and I will be there with a camera.

usbseawolf2000 · Jun 13, 2006

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i think a 2 year old in a Viper running on 5 cylinders could beat a Prius, its not that hard to just put it in gear and go, which is really all you would need for a Prius, its when you have 2 evenly matched cars that the driver becomes important. [/b]
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Beat Prius in what? Speed? That's not important and I don't care and I don't want more!! How much do you care about low emission and high mpg? That's how much I care about excessive speed and power. Get it?

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Its just another extremely complicated system that could break and cost thousands to replace, ill stick with my "old fashioned" fuel injected push rod motors, god forbid i mention carbs
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Old dogs can't learn new tricks!! Get up to speed with technology for your kid's sake. Wait, you have a kid or two right? I hope so.

Dennis

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the only conceivable situation in which your car would beat any even remotely "sporty" car would be 30-50 with the other car failing to downshift and punching it below 3500 RPM, which is not a likely situation. Your car can't handle for shit. A RWD car will handle better than a FWD car, assuming both are modified to the same extent, 99.999999% of the time. A RWD car will go faster in a drag race than a FWD car 99.9999% of the time. The only situation in which FWD is desirable over RWD is on dirt/snow in a rally. Unless you guys live in some remote part of Africa I really doubt your stoplight races took place on dirt roads. Thank you for confirming all the hybrid driver stereotypes, have fun racing Vipers, lmao.
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Yup, power is not the only part of the equation to win. And the question is, win what? Less time? Less fuel? Less skill? Less sense? hahaha

After all said and done, FWD cars still out sell RWD and muscle cars are just a tiny bit of the market. Do you know how many Viper do they sell a year in US? I bet you Prius sold more than the Viper! lmao...

Dennis

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Then why is the Prius's 5-60 time the exact same as it's 0-60 time? I thought the HSD transmission was so efficient it should be quicker?
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Well within error of margin. At least 5-60 time is not slower than 0-60. You will find all muscle cars spec this way. It is just wrong! Why did you guys accept that 0-60 should be faster than 5-60? Why should highspeed driving give better mpg than slower driving? Get those underlying assumptions out of the little boys inside you! How old were you when you accepted this awefully twisted facts?

Dennis

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Face the facts, your car sucks. Not only do you look like a douchebag driving it but it is one of the slowest cars on the road.
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Face the facts, your car sucks. Not only it wastes gas and pollutes the environment, it is the most boring car. Same old same old speed, power, G, etc... obsession. It is not healthy dude! If you want to be addicted, try sex, not gas fumes.

Dennis

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Excuse us for being MEN
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Your name is oxymoron you know? Honda and Toyota hybrid battery do not have Acid! There are no Lead either. Go educate yourself with modern technology hahaha.

Dennis

moleman · Jun 13, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(caliprius83 @ Jun 13 2006, 07:20 PM) [snapback]270817[/snapback]</div>

Ok, Comparitively american cars handle like shit. American cars have been and always will be primarily straightline cars, with the "handling cars" being the european.
also, a prius will do wel against a 80's mustang 5.0 uphil and on a turn, 5.0 mustangs like moast american cars are fast as hell in a straight line, but they can not turn.
and as for the motorcycle, yes i realise that they are much faster then the prius i was meerly stating that the torque of the prius of the line was impressive enough that I was able to keep up with the bike till he shifted at which point his power band kicked in.
and to the person who wants to race me, i supose i am up for it.
Lastly, I am pleased of all the people who poasted on here, it actualy has surprised me quite alot at the number of poasts. and the fact is that moast of us are just curious as to how our car matches up in the automotive world.
B)
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First off, I love your grammar. You know that there's a spell checker in this forum, right? Second, you seem to think that the Mustang is the only American car around. You mention the 80s. Ever heard of the Fiero? It was a mid-engined car produced from 1984 to 1988 by Pontiac. The engine is right behind the passenger compartment, just like the "well-handling" European cars. Plus, it doesn't sport a heavy V8; instead it has a V6 with more torque than HP. It's no Corvette, but its handling is better than "moast" American cars.

usbseawolf2000 · Jun 13, 2006

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I understand what you are trying to say here, and this is a little off topic, but you would be better off dropping the clutch at whatever the highest rpm you can rev to at, and still get respectable traction. It takes more energy to keep the revs higher than lower, and when the clutch is dumped, most of that energy rushes into the drivetrain immediately, throwing the car forward. Its not about launching at hp peak from a stop. That is why drag racers use heavy flywheels. They may take more energy to spin up, but when the car launches that energy gets sent into the drivetrain.

I am not sure how dropping the clutch is really cheating though.
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Yea, that act of "charging" up before the launch is cheating. It is a fair comparison if you are racing manual vs. manual for speed and time but who cares about those. The minute you compare manual vs. eCVT for speed, it is cheating. Comparing a manual tranny car revving ICE while eCVT car at stop with ICE off is just wrong. That's why 5-60 time is a better comparison and many of you know it.

Racing for pure speed is so... caveman.. Le Mans introduced tune/gas up time in the pit. Hybrid should bring the fuel economy to the race soon. Fueling less means less time in the pit, etc...

Dennis

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So youre comparing next years wet dream to last year's viper (which comes in ~ 3.5 second in 0-60) and crowing about it?
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It is almost time for dreams to come true and nightmares to begin!! Let the clock tick!! hahaha

Dennis

moleman · Jun 13, 2006

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What cost of replacing parts? How much does it cost to replace a tranny? Usually $2-3K after 200K miles? It's $5K for my 199K '96 Civic. There's a Canadian Prius cab driver that's driven over 200 Km on his car with ne'er a battery repair/replacement or any major repair costs with both an previous model and the current model Prius, so prove it!

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Oooh, fear the taxi Prius that still has the original battery at 200 kilometers. Man, you say the most classic things...

usbseawolf2000 · Jun 13, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Muscle Car @ Jun 13 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]270454[/snapback]</div>

I have personal experience with both vehicles, and can say I was rather surprised by the torque upon acceleration what I wasn't impressed with was the cost of replacing parts. Namely batteries, as well as that little electric motor/starter. Over time you are going to see some of the major life cycle costs of these cars and it is going to get the point very quickly that replacing parts starts to make up for the fuel economy.[/b]
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Oh really? You think you know uh? Hybrid battery pack has warrenty for 10 years 150k miles here. It was designed to last for the life of the car. Even if I want to drive this car for twice the typical "lifetime", a new Prius battery pack is cheaper than 4-speed automatic transmission. How long is auto tranny warrenty and life expectation? Please, connect two dots. hahahaa

Little electric motor/starter? :lol: :lol: :lol: How much octane are you sniffing? Prius motor and starter are at least 50x more powerful than your car's tiny starter/alternator. Prius has 67 hp, 295 lbs-ft electric motor. Does your start has one horsepower? hahahah

Dennis

pacman099 · Jun 13, 2006

Interesting read. :lol:

If your trying to push your prius's to the max, wouldn't that obviously result in a greater fuel consumption? How much would it effect the gas mileage. I would buy one only for the fact that it gets good gas mileage. If I had a prius I would keep a gasser for having fun and toying with.

Linked in from another forum...

usbseawolf2000 · Jun 13, 2006

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Did you not just see the dyno graph someone posted a page or two back? Your car peaks at 100 ft-lbs on a dyno! Torque means nothing if it doesn't make it to the friggin' wheels! And who was that goof who said your cars don't shift, therefore they don't have transmissions? Is he retarded, it's a CVT![/b]
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I said that. I said Prius doesn't have a transmission. What I meant was, Hybrid Synergy Drive used in Prius does not have a dedicated hardware just for the purpose of properly transmitting power to the wheel. Ok, I lied. There is hardware to do that and it is the whole hybrid powertrain. So where is the eCVT? You can't tell. It is the whole package. Confuse yet? That's not my intend.

Dennis

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now assuming a pro is driving, the viper will hit 60 in about 3.8 seconds and low 12, high 11 1/4. Most people dont know how to handle a 500/500/500 hp/lbft/C.I. car so you can expect a more realistic high 12, low 13. ... but, honestly, you just got your nice person handed to you.
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LS600h with SULEV and high 20's mpg will own your nice person with style. Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle will clean the air entering the intake and exhaust it out with clearner air.

The fuel usage of LS600h will be so little that your car will be like a firetruck full of water. Let's just call it a gasoline carrier because it weights the most in your car. Just like garbage truck which carries garbage. Your muscle car doesn't carry people but a tank full of a lot of gasoline. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The driver should be considered part of the powertrain because work is required from this human bio organism to shift gears! hahahah Just let the silicone chip do the job! The sad part is.... these shift slaves love their job.

Dennis

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(timeformegaman @ Jun 13 2006, 01:30 PM) [snapback]270593[/snapback]</div>

I don't know what kind of future the CVT transmission has in mainstream vehicles, but I wouldn't be suprised if it was just a niche transmission.
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With Toyota becoming No.1 (not bragging), and every line up will be available with HSD option, I would say it will not be just a niche market.

Dennis

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