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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PanchoVilla201, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. PanchoVilla201

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    Hi everyone. First time poster after nine happy years of Generation 2 Prius ownership.

    I have a 2008 Prius with just over 245,000 miles.

    I was driving on the highway at a pretty high speed today when my master warning lamp came on along with the hybrid system malfunction light, the check engine light and the brake system warning light. What a way to ring in the new year!

    I noticed no change in how the car was driving.

    I pulled off the road and turned the car off and on. The hybrid, check engine and main warning light all reappeared, but the brake system light did not.

    This isn't exactly the first sign of trouble. About 5,000 miles ago, I got a check engine light for the first time ever. I checked for the most common cause and found that, indeed, my gas cap was loose. After tightening it, the check engine stayed on. When I got an oil change about 5,000 miles later, I asked the guy to read the code and he said there was no flow in the emissions system. He offered something like an "emissions flush," but it sounded like BS so I didn't buy it. I asked him to reset the warning light and figured I'd check it out again if it reappeared. That was about 200-250 miles before my dashboard lit up today.

    The car still seems like it's running fine. I plan to take it to the dealer tomorrow if I can't find a hybrid specialist nearby.

    Anyone have any idea what's going on? Also, if anyone knows any independent mechanics who specialize in hybrid systems in northern New Jersey, that's be helpful as well. I am way out of warranty.

    Thanks!
     
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    Prepare to spend $125 for the stealership to read stored codes. Or you can go to Advance Auto or Autozone and have them read the codes for you for free.

    If it's the HV battery pack that triggered the codes you can tell this by viewing the MFD in the state of charge mode. If the SOC fluctuates from empty to full rapidly your pack has a shorted cell in one of the modules. With 245K miles that's very likely. The code for this is P0A80.

    I hope you're lucky that this isn't it but it's very likely that you rolled a 7 this time.
     
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    I got the identical symptoms on my 2005 prius (almost 200000 miles),i bought a code reader from amazon and it seems a trash can't read any code from my prius, to pay close attention to this topic, thanks!
     

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    What's the condition and age of the 12 V battery?

    Have you heard the cooling fan in the back seat coming on?

    The $15 readers from Amazon (I keep one in each car) will only read industry standard emission system codes, little else. Some of the parts stores have better scanners and will help with some Prius codes, but maybe not all and they may miss something important. But it's a good place to start at least, for the price.
     
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    Hi: andrewclaus, I purchased another mini-vci reader for toyota, is in shipping, don't know if it works for prius 2? my prius' 12v battery replaced once 5 years ago, I doubt the 12v battery may cause those symptoms? and in order to access the traction battery, I already removed the bleeding pipe from the cooling fan for the HV battery, so I can see the fan is working when the car being started, post some pics of defect lights and fan status: another information is I checked every single module of HV battery, only one has 6.8v and all others 8V( the single 6.8V HV battery module is the root cause for those light? ) 1_2005prius_defect_lights.jpg 2_cooling_fan_for_hv_battery.jpg 3_cooling_fan_for_hv_battery.jpg
    @PanchoVilla201 sorry for hogging your spot, maybe i should open an individual topic for my car's problem, but at the same time I hope my information can help you, since we got the same symptoms on same prius, thanks!
     
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    sounds like a bad cell in the hybrid battery.
     
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    Yes, it sounds like the hybrid battery has a bad module.

    Also, five years is close to the limit for the 12 V battery.

    The Mini VCI with Toyota Techstream should work for all Toyota, Lexus and Scion cars.
     
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    Thanks for your help, everyone. So if it's a bad module, is there any way the dealer will fix that without replacing the entire battery?
     
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    On the Prius, there are two things that need to be done when any of the check engine/warning lights turn on:
    1. Have the codes read to determine what is the cause. The first place to have this done is a local auto parts store that will read generic OBD codes. However these won't reveal all of the problems as there are Toyota specific ECU codes. To read these, you need to either use a Mini Vci cable with a laptop with Techstream installed (less than $20 for the cable), another code reader that can read Toyota codes, or spend the money to have your local Toyota dealer or hybrid specialty shop read the codes.
    2. Confirm the 12V battery isn't bad. A simple Google search will tell you what the voltages should be when the car is off, ACC-ON, and when in ready. If the 12V is bad the car occasionally throws strange codes, which is why this is important. This is rare, but should be considered.

    Get your codes read and then Google them and you'll likely be able to figure out what's wrong. Or post back and the members here are great at helping! Best of luck.

    A bad sensor or bad catalytic converter could cause the check engine light to turn on, but the car to drive normally. A bad module in the high voltage battery usually results in the car going into "limp mode" where it has significantly less power. At 245k, a failing hybrid battery is likely to happen soon in your future and should be planned for, however to me it sounds more like a problem in the emissions system as the oil change place found such a code. I'm not sure why other members are immediately pointing to a failed hybrid battery.
     
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    In post #5, the OP wrote this: "another information is I checked every single module of HV battery, only one has 6.8v and all others 8V."
     
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    Nope. You have to replace the module yourself (if you do it the right way) or hire someone to do it (not recommended). If you don't or can't do this a remanufactured or new OEM pack are other options.
     
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    Not the OP, it was Henry Tan.
     
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    Aha, missed that. Thank you.
     
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    Thanks. So I've tried and failed several times to pull up the info on the 12V battery. For some reason neither pushing the info key and turning the lights on and off three times nor the "hidden buttons" method seems to work for me.

    I've brought the car to a local mechanic with a good reputation. He'll read the codes and we'll go from there. Hopefully he won't charge me much if anything for the reading.

    Based on my display, it does not appear that my battery is draining and recharging quickly.
     
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    Some potentially good news (relatively speaking).

    The mechanic around the corner who doesn't specialize in hybrids found just one code: P0A93 - inverter water pump failure. But he said he believes the code is related to the check engine light and not the hybrid system malfunction light. He wasn't sure what was causing that one No codes came up.

    Last night after reading some more threads on Priuschat I checked by pump reservoir and didn't see movement, so it does appear that the inverter pump is indeed failing.

    It's not a cheap fix — he said around $600 — but that would be a huge relief considering I thought I was facing buying a new $4,500 battery, at which point I would have to consider whether I should just start shopping for a new car. Now comes the question of whether any parts of the actual hybrid system are failing.

    I just found a Prius specialist in Brooklyn and will be taking my car over tomorrow night. He only a few miles away and assured me that my car won't overheat on the drive. He also reconditioned batteries, so even in the worst case scenario that my battery is shot I'll hopefully be able to avoid the ridiculous dealer price for a new one.
     
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    You'll find out after the HV inverter electric water pump is replaced if all of the warning lights disappear. If so, fantastic.

    There is a possibility that you're still covered under Toyota's extended warranty program for this. You should have gotten a letter from Toyota about this issue 5 years ago (but I don't know if the 2008 model year was included).

    If not, $600 is a little high. The pump is about $150 so labor at $450 is enriching the mechanic a bit too much IMHO. It's not that difficult to do if you have the tools and time. Most mechanics don't replace the coolant either, they simply pinch off the hoses at each end.
     
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    Best way to check the battery is to take a voltmeter directly to the battery terminals.
     
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    thanks a lot! according to the useful information from PanchoVilla201 and the related inverter water pump check video
    , i checked my prius' inverter water pump status, it looks the "wave" in reservoir is very weak, in face, I think it's not the real wave or turbulence drived by the water pump? maybe this "weak wave" just caused by the engine vibration?and the pump seems no running noise? please the experienced members to confirm if my inverter water pump is dead, thanks! there is my water pump check video posted on youtube:
     
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    The inverter water pump makes a high frequency noise when running. At least the one in my 05 Gen 2 did.
     
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    Looks like the pump is fine try to watch is with your engine shut. And AC shut( must be in ready mode of course) Then you have no vibrations and hou can maybe hear the pump.