Featured Toyota is planning long-range battery-powered electric cars for 2020 as its hydrogen fuel cells cars

I've never had a problem with on-board generation of hydrogen feeding a fuel cell of which several feedstocks come to mind:

• ammonia
  
• methanol (actually pretty much any alcohol)
• liquid/compressed methane

Just these high pressure, hydrogen gas car are (and always were) impractical.

Bob Wilson

 

Click bait? Toyota is going to do whatever it has to do to meet Ca. ZEV mandates. Sounds like Toyota has been signaling that Li is starting to make sense to them as far as cost. FCV future looks bright but for cars? I do not know about that.

 

i think there are 6 people in the entire world that are offended by the lexus ads, and their humorous teasing of plug ins. and they're all here on p/c. won't affect toyota whatsoever.
however, i did read that there is a lot of bashing of toyota over on the tesla boards, by former prius owners.
kinda like reformed smokers i guess.

 

. . . and a few who still hang around here too. <GRINS>

Funny thing is I have a new daily driver and I enjoy the heck out of it. But last week, I cranked up the 2010 Prius and it isn't half bad either. It sits lower and does fine scooting across an intersection. But then runs out of 'OMPH' (i.e., acceleration.)

Thinking back to all the newbie posts I remember since October 2005, so many of them appeared to describe a 'Prius Prime' type architecture hybrid which has only delayed folks (including me at one time) understanding the Prius-way.

The Prius Prime would have been a welcome addition in 2001 instead of 15 years later or the owner-rolled versions in 2006. Oh well, better late than never. Had Toyota done a plug-in back then, who knows what sort of Franken-plug (opps, CCS) would have shown up.

Bob Wilson

 

Bisco, please join some Prius-pt users in those offended...

 

I'll add gasoline and diesel, which can also be made renewablely, to that list.

Issue of humor aside, stressing the competitions' negatives, as opposed to your positives, isn't the best way to inspire confidence in your product.

 

generally speaking, i agree. those ads were kinda funny, but i doubt they swayed any plug in buyers.

there are plenty of bad commercials, but a good car will sell itself. advertising for awareness purposes is all that's needed. i think we all know that toyota needs a new ad agency, but there are plenty of bad auto commercials to go around. witness the long running gm 'real people not actors' ads.

 

We will see what the future of Toyota brings......but the gen4 is headed in the wrong direction


iPhone ?

 

Prius HB is a best seller (so far, and its powertrain will be shared within the group), with a Fuel Efficiency above all others without a plug. Why would it be in the wrong direction?

 

Better than the ICE-only and that remains about 95% of the new car market. Never let perfect become the enemy of good enough.

Bob Wilson

 

details sean!

 

It's Looks....it's looks are in the wrong direction.

Long range EV would be great but it's also gotta have good styling if it's gonna be successful


iPhone ?

 

You should read the insideev boards. People are still pissed about the old lexus ads. The new ones just smack of desperation.



I've never read a tesla driver bash a toyota car, but sure they bash the dinosaur company trying to have hydrogen kill the battery. I mean most think that cash the government is paying toyota and honda and hyundai to make a hand full of fuel cell cars is a waste, and a excuse not to support plug-ins.

I hope a toyota plug-in support will stop all the anti plug-in whining by toyota execs.

 

Toyota built a factory in Mississippi but switched to just Corollas and dropped the Prius builds in their largest, external market. Perhaps now they might consider building the in the USA. They already build hybrid Camrys in Kentucky.

Bob Wilson

 

Oh, it was just the Tesla CEO, no one else bashed the Toyota Prius.
Elon Musk Says Prius Not a True Hybrid: Calls it 2% Electric

 

Last night I took another looks at: http://plugshare.com

There are so many vast areas without even L1 chargers. Deployment of high-speed, DC chargers will probably follow an "S" curve and right now, the left edge is so tiny. Even L2 AC chargers are mostly at dealers who are not really signing up for DC chargers. Even they often limit access after hours and some reports, to other manufacturer EVs.

Bob Wilson

 

The Mirai is an 100% electrically driven driven car. The hydrogen fuel tanks are also weighty items. Removing them and the fuel cell will leave plenty of space for a battery. It even already has a CHAdeMO plug.

As you stated, there are charging issues in Japan, and a BEV SUV will likely do better than a car in the US and China.

I disagree with Musk on this. The Prius is a hybrid electric car that is 100% powered by gasoline.

 

California may be a good model to foreshadow national trends. Here we are likely already in the rapidly accelerating/take-off end of the left side of the S-curve regarding DC-charging stations. Also, the large majority of L2 AC stations here are at businesses followed by public/government properties.