2017 Prius Prime (Plug-in Hybrid) Full Product Information & Technical Docs (PDF)

To me they look more like predator jaws. I wonder if I could get those as a custom paint job for cheap...

 

To better appeal to more buyers, form is starting to not follow function.

 

i'm not sure if it appeals. Prius 2017 has been some of the most fugly lines i've seen. Still interested in the car.. but man do they make the decision hard.

 

yep, those jowls are something, no way to know if more people will be interested in them, or, not.

 

The thing is, above the front badge, it is a great looking design, as I see it. But below the badge, it is a complete hideous mess.

 

.01 difference in the drag coefficient could not possibly make any difference except at very high speeds. How about some of you engineers working out what that speed would be. Here in the mountain west the Interstate speed is often 80 mph. I'm imagining that .01 drag differential would be barely noticeable in a tank of gas if you drove 80 mph the entire trip (which you never would).

 

50 m/sec=180 km/hr=~112 mph

 

Lee Jay, is the difference line using a different scale, e.g. x10?

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The Prime BETTER make sure to use the FRICTION BRAKES when the battery is completely full at the top of a hill.
The PiP engages the gasoline engine for braking when this is the case, and doesn't turn it off at the bottom of the hill either, because warmup. Warmup is apparently very important.

 

To use up the excess electricity, the system spins the engine. No gas is consumed in that process.

With an aftermarket gauge, you can see the RPM going up & down. The engine never actually starts.

 

The difference line is read by the second 'y' axis (on the right).
On second look the units on the 'y' axis (Wh/m) do not look right for the numbers shown, maybe should be Wh/km? Wh/mile?

 

the thing is, toyota usually strives to make incremental improvements, many of which seem negligible to the consumer.
here, they've taken a small step backward, for a questionable design cue. there had to be some major rumbling going on behind the scenes.

 

Drawing that conclusion requires assumption of goals.

What do you think they are for year 1 ?

Think about how the Classic model was rolled out...

 

sales goals?

 

Yes...watt hours per mile. I'd like to blame my stupid mile abbreviation on the fact that I got out of bed and went downstairs to quickly produce that plot.

 

Yeah, except in a PiP, when the engine is engaged, even for the gas-less spinning to engine brake, it doesn't die and reengage pure EV mode again as soon as the downhill portion is over.
Only after a complete warm-up cycle or if I stop the car, turn the power off and start it again will it reengage pure EV mode.

The same happens if I inadvertantly turn the heater on or set the AC to higher than the ambient temperature.
Even if I turn the heater right back off again, the car will continue to operate the gas engine until it's reached sufficient warm-up temperature.

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correct, but prime has pure ev mode, pip does not.

 

It's not just a normal Prius with a larger battery pack. It's much stronger in EV mode than a standard Prius. The PiP does have pure EV mode for some 20 km, apart from certain circumstances where much power is needed or heater is on, etc. I can't see where it says the Prime does otherwise in those special circumstances.

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