Toyota C-HR (Coupe High Rider). Reviews start P. 23

Prius consumption is different in West and Central Europe (probably different ground clearance).
West Europe - 3.0l (15" tires), 3.3l (17")
Central Europe - 3.3l (15" tires), 3.6l (17")

C-HR real consumption can be calculated as follows:
Prius real consumption (Spritmonitor, Germany) = 4.2l
Prius paper consumption (17", Germany) = 3.3l
C-HR paper consumption (17"/18" tires) = 3.8l / 3.9l
C-HR real consumption (18") = (3.9/3.3)*4.2 = 5.0 l

Anyway, the consumption dispersion of C-HR will be higher (comparing to Prius).
E.g., C-HR urban consumption (3.5l, 18" tires) is very close to Prius (3.3l, 17" tires),
i.e., lower speeds (50-80km/h) will ensure really low consumption similar to Prius.
Only problem are highways 130km/h

 

anyone from france able to make it to the paris auto show?

this car cant get here soon enough

 

there is no difference in vehicles sold, they are all the same... some distributors quote lower spec models to give impression of lower consumption. We have CO2 for each model since taxes are based on it.

I dont think highways will be as much of a problem, unless compared to Prius directly. If we remember correctly, new Prius is very good even at higher speeds, and even when compared to 2.0 TDI. Now C-HR will have much worse aero, but so will Tiguan and other competitors.

make sure you tell us all about it

 

you are right... Rav4 also works only on speeds over 25mph here in Europe.

Also notice how they are defining LDA "with steering control" vs "assistance" before. Might be more improved system too.

 

... just interesting information from Toyota Central Europe (CZ/SK/HU) -> "Prius for Central Europe has higher ground clearance, consequently, slightly higher consumption" (+0.3 l)

 

C-HR boot space LxWxH ?
Thanks.
(Note: two versions with/without JBL, European method up to the rear seat back)

Edited (Jan 2017): link to answer http://tinyurl.com/gmqydl4 (HonestJohn.co.uk)

 

so what did the people say when commenting them?

 

What about interior?

 

Pricing of the hybrid all over Europe is very very competitive. Prices of C-HR in different countries in EU is different, but price premium against 1.2t MT is almost in all countries only 3,000 €. That is price premium that will even out after 100,000 km at European gas prices, not to mention depreciation.

The only sense to go for 1.2t is because of 4x4 option and higher tow rating.

Is this price premium for real or does Toyota just take less profit margin on a hybrid, 1.2t engine may be more expensive than 1.8 in hybrid, but probably not by much. I don't see it as they are selling this things with low profit, because even Toyota estimates they will sell 70% of C-HR as hybrids:

We started taking orders this month and are very confident this new entry in the growing cross-over segment will further help grow our sales into 2017. From what we can see so far, nearly 70% of customers will choose the hybrid version.”
http://newsroom.toyota.eu/pressrelease/5299//toyota-motor-europe-sales-electrified-hybrids?searchresult

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A 1.2L engine will use less metal than a 1.8L one. Then I'm guessing the turbo is a small one, and not something for high performance, so it won't add much to the cost. So the 1.2t is cheaper or about the same as the 1.8L. Then the 1.2t is likely using the same transmissions as is behind other engine options, or one that shares a lot of parts with them.

The hybrid transaxle should be cheaper than a typical transmission, but there are the add on parts; two MGs, inverter, battery, etc.

 

Thanks for explanation that doesn't explain anything

Two MG, Inverter, battery, electric accessories ... all for 3.000 EUR minus taxes, I don't buy it.

Things that are in 1.2t:
- High pressure fuel pump
- Single scroll turbo charger with intercooler
- Direct injectors
- VVT-iW, Variable Valve Timing-intelligent Wide (don't know if this more expensive than VVT-i )
- Cylinder head that uses an integrated water-cooled exhaust manifold
- 6 speed manual transmission and clutch

Thing that are in 1.8:
- Amount of metal is negligible considering price, but OK
- Cooled EGR (maybe this is also in 1.2t but didn't find anything about it)
- Exhaust heat recirculation system

My guess is profit margin on 1.2t is like 15% and profit margin on hybrid is 5%, prove me wrong.

 

Get me Toyota's books then.

Toyota can be taking less profit on the hybrid, but they also waited for a third and fourth generation hybrid system before expanding the lineup of models outside Japan.

Considering that they still use old 4 speed automatic transmissions in new cars, Toyota is going to squeeze as much profit as they can out of all their products.

 

Doesnt seem like premium is that much anymore... Toyota is most profitable manufacturer in the world and they sell 1.5m hybrids per year... so if they were not profitable, they would drag on their profit.

edit: I actually checked pricing of Auris 1.2t vs Auris Hybrid in small eastern european countries where they dont push hybrids and difference is 5k for Auris, 3k for C-HR... so pricing different has certainly improved, 4th gen hybrid is not only the best technology wise, it is also significantly cheaper for them.

 

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