Dash lights, but no code

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  1. Richiemoe

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    I just got back home and found that my buddy left a note with the codes that showed up on his scanner.
    "P3000 - BATTERY CONTROL SYSTEM
    P0A80 - REPLACE HYBRID BATTERY BACK
    P3013 - BATTERY BLOCK 3 BECOMES WEAK"
    I still need to look more into this, but i assume it means that another hybrid cell has gone bad?
     
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    I just got home and my buddy left a note with the codes that his scanner found:
    "P3000 - BATTERY CONTROL SYSTEM
    P0A80 - REPLACE HYBRID BATTER PACK
    P3013 - BATTERY BLOCK 3 BECOMES WEAK".
    After researching the codes, it looks like it is just another cell that went bad.
    Thoughts?
     
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    I just got home and my buddy left a note with the codes that his scanner found:
    "P3000 - BATTERY CONTROL SYSTEM
    P0A80 - REPLACE HYBRID BATTER PACK
    P3013 - BATTERY BLOCK 3 BECOMES WEAK".
    After researching the codes, it looks like it is just another cell that went bad.
    Thoughts?
     
    #23 Richiemoe, Oct 2, 2016
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    sounds right. just replace it and hope for a decent amount of time before you have to do it again.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Enjoy whac-a-mole.

    Don't know what your time is worth to you.

    If this car is driven long distances, you shold get a tow service that offers long distance towing. As you know, the battery will fail again. It's just a matter of when and where.
     
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    You are absolutely correct! It is just a matter of time... It took me about 45minutes to take the battery pack out before, and that was me not knowing how to do it. So I ordered a Gen3 battery this morning and i'll try to swap out the cell after work one night, to have the car running the next morning. In a perfect world, that is how it should work... haha

    I just renewed my AAA roadside service with 300 miles of towing range.

    Can the car still be used with a bad cell? It'll just run on gas then, right?

    While the newer cell is shipping, it'll give me time to drop the transmission in my wife's 1995 Jeep YJ and have that rebuilt.
    One of the main reasons I'm swapping out the bad cell, too much money to fix both at the same time. And we were just about to buy a lift kit for the Jeep, that will for sure have to wait now....
     
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    Assuming you ordered one module, I understand Gen 2 and Gen 3 modules have different internal resistance and they may not play well together. Let us know if it works.

    To a point, as you've done already. But there's a reason for the large red triangle when the battery sees a failure. The hybrid system does more than propel the car. It powers and controls the constantly variable transmission and the a/c. Eventually an electrical failure will kill the brakes and power steering, too.
     
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    I wondered about the Gen2 vs Gen3 cells, but everything I read said they should work well together. Even the Ebay site said that the Gen3 will work "no problem" in the Gen2 cars, but not the Gen1. If I were to put these cells in the Gen1, I'd have to replace ALL of the cells with the Gen2/3 ones.

    You are exactly right about the red triangle. I wondered about that as well, makes sense! The new battery already shipped and should be arriving mid-late this week. Hope I have the Jeep transmission out by then...
     
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    I wondered about the Gen2 vs Gen3 cells, but everything I read said they should work well together. Even the Ebay site said that the Gen3 will work "no problem" in the Gen2 cars, but not the Gen1. If I were to put these cells in the Gen1, I'd have to replace ALL of the cells with the Gen2/3 ones.

    You are exactly right about the red triangle. I wondered about that as well, makes sense! The new battery already shipped and should be arriving mid-late this week. Hope I have the Jeep transmission out by then...
     
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    I wondered about the Gen2 vs Gen3 cells, but everything I read said they should work well together. Even the Ebay site said that the Gen3 will work "no problem" in the Gen2 cars, but not the Gen1. If I were to put these cells in the Gen1, I'd have to replace ALL of the cells with the Gen2/3 ones.

    You are exactly right about the red triangle. I wondered about that as well, makes sense! The new battery already shipped and should be arriving mid-late this week. Hope I have the Jeep transmission out by then...
     
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    In theory Gen2 vs Gen3 modules (please use the correct terminology of what you are replacing, unless you somehow opened the module and replaced the cell(s) inside the module) are interchangeable.

    Gen2 modules appear on model year 2004-2009. Gen3 modules appear on 2010-2015.

    You have a 2006. Assuming original battery, and not a Doorman or Fraudtech (Greentech) used battery, your modules are 10-11 years old, depending on the manufacture date of the vehicle (possibly as early as 2005). The Gen2 modules in general are 7-12 years old. Gen3 module can be 1-7 years old, depending on vehicle production date. A Gen2 vs Gen3 module will likely have considerable HIGHER resistance than a Gen3 module, because of age: 7-12 YO vs 1-7 YO. Hopefully now you can understand why mixing Gen2 & Gen3 is NOT a good idea.

    What site(s) did you read that lead you to believe:
    1) Swapping modules would be a lasting repair?
    2) Gen2 and Gen3 modules could be interchanged?

    Do you always take an entity's (person or company) claim as truthful?
    What is their definition of "NO" problem?
    Will it fit? Yes.
    Will it last? Probably way shorter than using a Gen2 module.

    Swapping out all the Gen2 modules for Gen3 modules would probably be a better repair, b/c the modules will likely have closer resistance values/levels since their age difference will be smaller and closer by not intermixing generations. Not to mention younger. But, 28modules * $20/module (price estimate) =$560 / $2071 new OEM HV Battery = .2704 (27.04%). You are just over 1/4 the cost of a new OEM HV Battery.
     
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    Better yet put a spare module and socket set and meter in the trunk. You can drive with a failed module but you won't know when it will quit running all together.

    I didn't know AAA had a membership with a 300 miles tow range I may have to get this but I'm guessing they will still insist on towing to the nearest repair shop and not to the house?
     
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    Where you buying these modules at $20ea?
     
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    I was only referencing the cheapest module listed on eBay.

    I have no intention to play whac-a-mole, by playing module replacement.
     
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    You make a great point here! Buying all new Gen3 modules would save money over a new HV Battery!
     
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    That isn't a bad idea, since we'll most likely have this car for a while. It is my wife's car and will be paid off soon! So we'll probably drive her car until it dies, and save up for a different one. Or save up until we find an amazing deal, then sell hers while it is still worth something...

    Look into the AAA RV membership. I just paid $136 for an entire year, that covers both my wife and I's vehicles, plus if either of us are riding with other people and their vehicle breaks down/keys locked inside. The transmission went out on my wife's Jeep on her way to work. Well, mainly just 5th gear and reverse was shot. So she continued to work, she drove her boss's vehicle home and we had the Jeep towed to my house, I think they'll tow it to where ever you want it! I also no longer have AAA insurance, but I'd love to go back to them if they can offer me a lower rate again...
     
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    I was not able to get Techstream to install on my Windows 10 64-bit laptop. But it was able to get it to install on my wife's old college XP laptop.

    1st, why do I need to keep it off the internet? When doing a Health Check, I get an error "Techstream was unable to access the network. Try again or Continue". Clicking Continue worked, just curious. Also, how do you clear the codes, like old ones that are no longer an issue?

    2nd: I also get an Registration box that pops up and basically says that I only have 30, 29, 28, 27, etc uses left without a network connection, until software registration is required, so I just re-install the program then?

    3rd and lastly: I tried hooking this up to my 2006 Pontiac G6 and selecting the "Generic OBD2" tab, but I get an error that says, "Cannot establish communications with ECU." I had the key turned forward, so everything worked, but the car was not running yet. Has anyone else tried scanning a GM, Ford or Chrysler vehicle with this software, or different software with this cable?

    Codes that showed up are (i'll research the codes and what "Calibration" means tonight):
    P3000
    P0A80
    P3013 (I know these three pertain to the battery and 3rd cell bundle)
    C1249
    C1259
    C1310
    C1311
    C1313 (ABS/VSC/TRAC)
    B1421 (AC)
    B1200
    B1207
    B1271 (Gateway)


    Thank you again to everyone for your help so far!!
     
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    Only source of new OEM modules is Toyota. And the modules are only available in a new HV pack. Can be had for a low $2071; if you find a dealer willing to sell to you or beat/match the price.
    2007 Toyota Prius Parts - Toyota of San Bernardino Online Parts Store

    There is some entity selling new modules from Panda Land (China). Quality will be highly suspect as it is a random company selling a knock off, to their LOW standards vs HIGH standards of a legitimate company. You ultimately get what you pay for.
     
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    Do a better search of Techstream 64bit install. You will have to spend some time reading before you get the solution.

    Assume the pirated and hacked software, contains sophisticated malware reporting all your keystrokes to criminals in Eastern Europe. Now some say I am paranoid to have this view, but an ounce of prevention (use hacked Techstream on an obsolete spare laptop) is worth a pound of cure (dealing w/ malware).

    The Hackers are winning the war. They are always one step ahead of Cyber Security companies and their products.

    IIRC, its all or nothing.

    You probably are missing a component/patch to make that message go away.
    Do an Internet search and read. You will find the answer. It may not be in one site under one title.

    Lets see:
    1) Hacked software.
    2) Genuine OBD2 cables seem to be manufacture specific. Drew Technologies
    The imitation OBD2 cable was likely made to be Toyota specific, to work w/ the hacked Techstream.
    3) Cables are known to be of poor quality, resulting in communication errors.
     
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