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  1. Hilux

    Hilux Junior Member

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    every contender is on the table.
    those midsize sedans with hybrid powertrain.

    accord
    camry
    fusion
    malibu
    sonata

    really want to see a comparison of their performance, efficiency and so on.

    we can set some criteria for hybrid midsize sedan test.
    performance, 0~100km accelerate, 60~100, 80~120 or 130 km/hour accelerate
    fueleconomy, real world mpg in city, freeway and so on
    driving dynamic, throttle response, brake feel , steering feel, suspension and so on
     
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  2. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    You know, given that this is PriusChat, and it is mostly about the Prius, it is possible you should add that car to your list.

    Mind you, if performance is a criteria, it may be that you have eliminated the Prius already.
     
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    Those are really different cars than the Prius, but for some of us I think how they compare to the Prius would be useful also since that's what we drive and would give us a good frame of reference.
     
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  4. Hilux

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    you misunderstand it. if we want to compare them, we'd use the same size, Prius is a compact hatchback, not suitable to compared with midsize sedans
     
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    I Agree with the above. This is "PriusChat."

    Make your recommendation on another forum.
     
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  6. Jeff N

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    Really? What about the "Other Cars" forum category?

    Prius is a mid-size car (according to EPA definitions) but it's a liftback instead of a sedan and generally has slower performance but higher mpg than them.
     
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  7. JimboPalmer

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    I am not sure where the Prius is a compact, but in the US, it is ranked as a mid-sized car by the government.

    Even if it was in a different category, (it is not) the Prius v has to be mid-sized in anyone's list.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    It's a midsize because of the hatch space. The passenger volume is smaller than those mid-size sedans, and more inline with B-class/compact cars.
     
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    More appropriate, the Prius is a mid-size hatchback, not a mid-size sedan.

     
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    the prius
     
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  12. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    EPA doesn't have a hatchback class. There is two seater, sedan, and station wagon for cars. The Prius is too small to be a mid-size station wagon, and its size isn't small.

    Find-a-Car Help
     
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    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Yep. That sounds like a good lineup.

    For those asking why the Prius isn't in there, well this list includes only hybrid sedans. Yes, they're sometimes cross-shopped with the Prius but I'm not sure how often.

    Maybe it is time to buck the trend? Maybe it's time the Prius is cross shopped given its better ride & handling, superior mpg and cargo carrying capability. But those 5 sedans can hold a 5th person more comfortably than the Prius because they're wider and offer a bit more shoulderroom (in most cases).
     
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  14. JimboPalmer

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    Fuelly has no hybrid Malibu data at all
    They have 2015 hybrid Accord data, but no hybrid 2016.

    Every model that remains had better Hybrid MPG in 2015 than 2016, so I used 2015.

    Accord 41.97
    Camry 36.44
    Fusion 43.18
    Malibu
    Sonata 35.14

    Prius v 40.80
     
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  15. Hilux

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    for Fuelly data, we'd better calculate them manually, because sometimes I found some MPG reaching 80 or even 100 more data or some even lower than 10 data. these shouldn't be accurate or responsible data.
     
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    One technique is to drop the highest and lowest n%. Typically highest 10% and lowest 10% but 5% also works. The key is to trim the 'outliers.' But there is another approach.

    Use the EPA roll-down coefficients and calculate the drag power at different speeds.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    looks like hycam wins!(y)
     
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  18. Hilux

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    let us see what can get
     
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  19. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Start with a mission statement written in English, a paragraph that describes who, what, when, and how. For example, how many in the family, age, typical use. What is being replaced or other rides. Typical miles per year. Geographical area.

    From the mission statement, what are the requirements?

    Separate the mandatory from the optional requirements:
    • mandatory - PASS/FAIL
    • optional - these are weighted based upon utility for the mission
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Malibu is out with new full hybrid version, so I don't think Fuelly will get that yet.
    Also Accord hybrid is new version.
     
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