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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Jim Alexander, Jul 10, 2016.

  1. Jim Alexander

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    Currently working on a friends 2011 Prius with roughly ~340,000 miles (!!!!!) that was used as a taxi, until now, he bought it from the taxi company and converted it his own daily.

    I did a regular oil change on his Prius, and decided to change the spark plugs as at the time there was some sort of occasional shaking/rattle at cold startups. The shaking was gone after changing the spark plugs. This was all done back in March. Yesterday, he was driving, and all of a sudden, the knocking came back, a check engine light, and white like cloud smoke appear. Check Engine lights were P0300, P0301, P0303 (misfire cylinder). I told him to bring it over, I took a look, and his invertor engine coolant was all the way down (he told me he filled it up to top just two weeks ago). I originally thought maybe it was the ignition coils (for shaking), but the white smoke didn't make sense. So I purposely filled the coolant above the full line, and took it out to drive for about half a mile, and just as I suspected when I opened the hood, the coolant level decreased, at least by an inch.

    I did not see any oil leaks, and the oil levels were just fine. The car just seems to shake/rattle at startup and when accelerating at low speeds (roughly 8 - 15 MPH) and than goes away, and drives normally. It still does blow off that white/cloud smoke when accelerating hard on the engine though. As for the smell of the smoke, I can't really tell, it is definitely not sweet, but it kind of smells foul/bad.

    At this point, I am pretty sure this engine is gone, and the gasket/seal is blown, but I am pretty sure that's a $2,000 - $2,500+ to replace or fix the engine, and he didn't even buy the car for that much lol.

    So, I wanted to ask here, has anyone experienced this kind of issue on a Prius, and ever attempted to fix it, rather than replace the engine? My friend really wants the ignition coils replaced as they have already been bought, so I'll install them for now, but not sure if it is even worth it, since the coolant is clearly leaking, or "disappearing" (no actual drips anywhere). I think it is most likely a blown seal, but again, no idea if that is a good assumption to make as I don't want to start tearing up parts just yet. I am open to any ideas or pointers to possible solutions.

    I was also curious if the Bars Leaks would be good for this kind of scenario as a temporary solution. My friend does use this car as a daily, so I wasn't sure if it was a safe and wise idea to trial with it before asking here.
     
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    HGF - high gasket failure.
     
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    try coils 1st make sure they are denso brand,then clean out the entire egr system and intake manifold.when all else fails trg the bar s leak
     
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    Coils don't have nothing with loosing coolant. Cheap option - go to diagnostic station so they check amount of stuff in car exhaust gases.
     
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    I agree a head gasket failure might do that.
     
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    When you say to clean out the entire engine system and intake manifold, do you mean like a major flush of all the liquids?
     
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    Do you know if this kind of test is available at AutoZone, or would it be a paid checkup? I am pretty sure its coolant, since their is no engine oil loss.
     
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    no clean egr tube and valve,intake manifold potrs
     
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    If you're loosing coolant, you have a leak in the system somewhere. You can buy a head gasket test kit for around $30. Try that that first and go from there. There is no sense in spending money on other things if this is the actual problem. The head gasket seals are hit and miss because they can also clog your radiator and eventually cause your car to overheat. If the head gasket is blown, it might just be better to get a used low mileage engine from a car that was in a wreck. The cost of doing a head gasket correctly may end up being the same as a used engine, just because you don't know the condition of the head or block of the engine, if either warped or cracked until you take it apart.
     
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    the headgasket tester doesn't work on the prius due to no radiator fill hole, it's done at the resevoir.As for head gasket sealer, I would try it before replacing engine.
     
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    That's why checking exhaust gas is solution. Don't ever use gasket sealers! It's going to "seal" your water pump too. Basically it seals all coolant circle not only gasket. In result later on he will swap engines because it didn't seal the gasket. New engine shortly will have HGF too because water pump will be sealed/glued/whatsoever and it will fail/don't work correctly and it will result with overheating.
     
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    Ah okay. Any idea on where I can get the exhaust test for cheap? I've been calling around and no one seems to understand what I am asking for, is there a fancy buzzword for it?

    Does anyone know if anyone here ever replaced the seal itself? I asked around few places, and a lot of them confirm that with the high miles on the current engine, the seal is most likely gone. For now, the car is sitting in my driveway, but my friend really doesn't want to put a new engine because of the costs, and rather would fix whatever the issue is, and than save up to swap the engine.
     
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    Quick update - We didn't change the ignition coils at the end, I instead talked with a mechanic who said he is willing to do an engine swap for roughly $1,600.00, the engine has roughly 150,000 miles on it already. The other alternative of course is a low miles engine but thats north of $3,500.00. Since this is going to be a daily driver, I think my friend might go with the cheaper option, as he needs the car running ASAP. We have a few days before we go with the swap, but was wondering if anyone had comments before we do the change?
     
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    What do you know about its history and condition? Some have become oil-guzzlers by that mileage, while others haven't.
     
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    Well, the mechanic is very trustworthy according to the taxi cab owners here, and he says the engine are well inspected and working. But there is no history, but since it'd be installed on a normal cab (there were lines of taxi Prius's getting engine replaced) and they all said the engines the mechanic puts are always great.

    I figured since a cab is used 24/7 it might be worthwhile have my friend do it through the mechanic, since he offers his own warranty.

    EDIT: Me and Jim are working on this car together!
     
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    I did an engine and CVT swap at 230k on a 2010 Prius recently. Most likely a cracked block where coolant was flooding the engine. Bought the car this way for cheap. Rebuilding the engine was cost prohibitive due to the labor involved and because it already had 230k, went with a swap. Dealer quoted more than $5500 for engine with 80k and labor (engine only), any other parts and fluids, extra. Instead, I went with an independent. Took my time checking around to find a good one. Found a low mileage engine with attached CVT with 53k on the clock for about $970 including freight. Most parts from the old engine were reusable such as the engine harness, coils, etc. though the plugs, thermostat, and many of the hoses, and several other wear parts were replaced (optional depending on condition), as well as all fluids. Labor and parts ended up costing $2200. All told, total project cost: $3170.

    Couple points to keep in mind...
    There are two Prius engines, the 1.8L and the newer 1.5L. Your VIN will determine which engine will work.
    Subframe needs to be dropped and engine drops from the bottom.
    If you can find an engine with attached CVT, it might be the better option, as the attached CVT can go in with the engine without additional labor.
     
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