Gay Adoption

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:54 AM) [snapback]255743[/snapback]</div>

I have yet to see a rational reason for the dislike of homosexuality to be presented. Care to give one?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 10:37 AM) [snapback]255636[/snapback]</div>

OMG! B.Merchant has just visited this thread!!!! MS you must be proud he only shows up on the good ones B)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:58 AM) [snapback]255748[/snapback]</div>

OK, what studies have been conducted to determine whether or not dislike of homosexuality is genetic? What was the outcome of these studies?

 

I dont understand, the dislike of Homo's I think everyone likes gay people.. their shagadelic & stuff..

Most are pretty cool people, however there are those who jump up & down everytime some thing derogitory is said infront of them.. those are the ones to watchout for they walk around with a chip on thier shoulder looking at everyone like they are being judged for their lifestyle choice (uh oh I said the L word). Most people dont care what choice a gay makes as long as it doesnt affect their hetro lifestyle or their wallets...

 

Squid, why the smiley? You asserted that your dislike of homosexuality was genetically based, and that this was your "rational" reason for disliking homosexuality. I asked you a serious question in response.

Yes. (I prefer to go by "Bob", which is the way I sign my posts. Thanks.)

Yes, I've realized this for some time now tha tthe world does not pivot around me. No, I don't agree with your statement. I have not seen "good reasons" to dislike homosexuality.

You must have a fairly low bar for the term "rational".

Here are some examples of dislikes which I would describe as rationally-based:

I dislike being shot at because there is a very high probability of me being killed. I further advocate that except in extreme circumstances where no other alternative exists, people don't shoot each other.

I dislike automobile pollution and over-consumption of gasoline because resources on this planet are limited and if we use them too rapidly people will be harmed by the environmental and economic turmoil that could result. Therefore, I advocate for tougher environmental and fuel consumption standards, I ride transit a lot and own a Prius.

I dislike it when employees in restaurants do not wash their hands. Not just because of a physical repulsion to bad smells, but because it is demonstrably unhealthy to the patrons of the restaurant. Therefore, I am in favor of posting signs in restrooms informing employees to wash their hands, and I am in favor of government health inspectors checking in occasionally to make sure the employees are following this procedure.

Here are some examples of dislikes which I would describe as non-rational, but note how I apply them differently in life:

I dislike artificially flavored orange ice cream. This is a matter of personal preference which I cannot adequately explain, so I will choose simply not to consume artificially flavored orange ice cream, but I will not advocate for the abolishment of such ice cream and I will not prevent the existence of such ice cream from being mentioned in front of 2nd graders.

I dislike most snakes, even the clearly non-poisonous variety. Therefore, I do not collect snakes as pets and tend to avoid them on a daily basis. However, I do not try to prevent others from having non-poisonous snakes as pets, and I do not try to prevent zoologists from visiting schools and showing the kids what kinds of snakes exist.

No it doesn't HAVE to be rational. But if you want to use your beliefs as a basis to exclude books from public schools, then you had better be prepared to back up the book ban with a rational basis. Nope, I'm not pushing my standpoint on anybody.

Just because I acknowledge that I'm not infallible does mean that I concede the argument. Sheesh.

And yes, I do know bigotry when I see it. Having been subjected to bigotry for many years, it becomes fairly easy to recognize.

When you stop advocating for banning books which show that gay relationships exist, I'll declare unequivocally that you are not a bigot.

This is correct. I've very explicitly stated so in this very thread. You can believe whatever you want and dislike whatever you want.

Nope, I've never made that "jump". I've very clearly separated belief from advocacy.

It is YOU who advocates the position of banning books that mention same-sex couples from 2nd grade classrooms, and you have never provided a rational basis for doing so.

I gave those examples specifically to point out how I don't have a problem with mere dislike. I really don't care. I have a problem with those who "dislike" me using the force of government to marginalize me. That you can't grasp this very simple concept after having me and dozens of other people explain it to you in countless ways is stunning.

That's great.

No, you just have to stop advocating book bans.

- Bob R.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 12:19 PM) [snapback]255823[/snapback]</div>

Wow, what twisted, up-is-down logic you have there. You want to ban a book. I don't want to ban the book. In our open, democratic society, with constitutionally protected freedoms of expression, the burden falls upon you, the book-ban supporter, to justify such extraordinary action.

- Bob R.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]255829[/snapback]</div>

Except, of course, for the parents who are suing the school:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/p...6198345065.html

- Bob R.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 12:45 PM) [snapback]255842[/snapback]</div>

I know you and I tend to parse each other's posts to death, but can we at least agree that suing a school and a teacher over a book means that the plaintiffs don't want the book read in school? Of course they don't use the word "ban", because the idea book banning is frowned upon in our society, but what else are they really trying to accomplish?

And remember, same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts. The school isn't trying to push an "agenda", they are simply reflecting the status quo.

- Bob R.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobr1 @ May 15 2006, 09:53 AM) [snapback]255742[/snapback]</div>

Maybe the Fuhrer deserves the recognition!!

 

typically people who were raised in families that were very anti-gay can fight and fight about why they feel that way without actually giving a good reason. that sounds like what squid is doing. he doesn't really have a reason.

sounds just like some of the racist people i've met around here. they can't tell you why they don't like blacks, they just don't. and while people like that weren't all out and about actively pursuing the oppression of black people throughout the civil rights movement, they weren't exactly helping people who were singled out as different to become seen as equal humans.

the same thing can be noted in the fight for women's rights.

now it's time for the rights of gays, and we're seeing the same thing yet again.

 

all i've ever seen you say is just that you don't agree with it. i haven't seen you express any reason for disagreeing with it, which leads me to question if there is one or if it was something you just grew up with.

then again, i didn't follow the whole storybook thread and i don't have time to wade through that many posts.