<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(geologyrox @ May 15 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]255686[/snapback]</div> ...and I would say, if I were in such situation, that I would not want my brothers to be gay, simply because I don't like/care for (however you want to put it) homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with such. What would be wrong, obviously, is treating them any different should they turn out that way for whatever reason. I'm defending my right to simply not like homosexuality. I don't think the homosexual community can separate simple dislike from bigotry. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KMO @ May 15 2006, 11:57 AM) [snapback]255697[/snapback]</div> Who's questioning morals and character? All I'm doing is fighting for my right to not like homosexuality. :lol: So what? Why can't I do this without being labeled a bigot? ...because it's not "politically correct"? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobr1 @ May 15 2006, 11:57 AM) [snapback]255695[/snapback]</div> No, but what YOU'RE saying is that I HAVE to agree with it and see nothing wrong with it, or I'm a BIGOT. Yet another intentionally structured "in your face" mechanism from the homosexual contingency.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 08:59 AM) [snapback]255698[/snapback]</div> Oh, yes it can. I'll give you an example from my own life. About 10 miles from here there is a very successful "mega-church". This mega-church has very strong views against homosexuality. It has been around and growing for years. And until 2004, I really didn't care about its existence or what was preached there. None of my friends cared, either. We all knew it was an anti-gay church, but hey, we just didn't attend there. End of story. But, in the 2004 election cycle, this church became one of the main organizing points for the anti-marriage amendment here in Oregon. Its ministers and members because well-quoted activists, launching signature campaigns and donation campaigns for this anti-gay initiative from within its walls. That's when their views morphed from being simple "dislike" into bigotry. They so disliked gay people, without any rational basis to support that dislike, that they attempted (successfully) to use the power of government to put us in our place. That's bigotry, in my book. - Bob R. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:04 AM) [snapback]255698[/snapback]</div> No Squid, as I've said many times in this thread and others, I really don't care what your personal views are about homosexuality. It is your advocacy for marginalizing gay people (by keeping gay couples invisible to elementary school kids, for example) that offends me. Since you started this latest thread (what was that about "in your face" again?), why don't you go on the record? Are you in favor of banning gay couples from adopting children? Yes or no? - Bob R.
I think that heterosexuals have long since given up the ability to play the "holier than thou" role. Divorce, cheating, child abuse and neglect are way too common but often just reported without much issue. However if this was an individual who was gay....... Having an open mind and a forgiving soul is the best way to raise kids
Until all so-called christians adopt every child who is not in a 2 parent (M&F) family there is absolutely no room for discussion. Love is genderless. love is love. any caring person who attempts to make another's life more bearable is that much closer to saint hood. Those who try to derail such noble behavior have not fully realized their human potential. Those who teach hate, devisiveness, or other forms of human shunning violate (any flavor of) God's teachings and their own humanity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ May 15 2006, 09:15 AM) [snapback]255709[/snapback]</div> Thank you for that, MarinJohn... that was very well put. - Bob R.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobr1 @ May 15 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]255703[/snapback]</div> Some bigot I am... Would I vote against full marriage rights for homosexuals: no Would I vote against allowing gay couples to adopt: no Would I treat a gay person any differently: no Do I want 2nd graders exposed to homosexual themes: NO. Face it bob, you just don't like my viewpoint, and somehow, my viewpoint translates into some sort of anti-homosexual advocacy. I do not like/care for (again, however you want to phrase it) homosexuality, and this IS be totally accpetable. What's important is whether or not I act upon my dislike. Just because the church in your example took it to the next level, does NOT mean everyone who shares that viewpoint will. In this respect, you're very hypocritical... Since when do you need a rational basis to dislike something/someone? Homosexuality is genetic right? Would you claim that to be "rational"?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 12:04 PM) [snapback]255698[/snapback]</div> Once again- YOU'RE the one who brought up the topic in the first place!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Salsawonder @ May 15 2006, 12:14 PM) [snapback]255708[/snapback]</div> Some open mind... Making it sound like heterosexuals are just soooo awful... I'm sure none of that goes on within the gay community, oh wait, it DOES, but to a lesser extent becuase the statistics show....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ May 15 2006, 12:15 PM) [snapback]255709[/snapback]</div> That is true. But you don't see them rushing to adopt every child born to a woman who is unable to care for it herself, while attempting to prohibit her access to safe and legal abortion.
My viewpoint offends YOU? :lol: Yes, I'm sure many other viewpoints I have offend many other people. Conversely, I'm sure you lose sleep at night at all the viewpoints you have that offend others. Unless, of course, you're viewpoints offend no one, and you've successfully managed to please 100% of everyone you've come across.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ May 15 2006, 12:15 PM) [snapback]255709[/snapback]</div> Interesting how you insert the word "christians". That wouldn't happen to be an expression of bigotry towards Christians would it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:21 AM) [snapback]255713[/snapback]</div> Well good, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. I'll give you credit for that. But book-banning and suing teachers for reading a book with a same-sex couple is still a troublesome thing to support. This is true, I don't like your viewpoint. Well, yes, advocating against children's books that dare to show that gay couples exist is some kind of anti-homosexual advocacy. Yes, exactly what I've been saying. Yes, I believe that was intrinsic in my example. I very clearly stated that I did not care about the church's views until they acted against me and my family. How so? Please spell it out for me. You don't need a rational basis to dislike something/someone. However, strong dislike without a rational basis is usually referred to as prejudice. We humans are an imperfect lot, and we have kneejerk reactions against people who are different from us. How we deal with those feelings and how we separate what we should care about from what we shouldn't care about is one measure of maturity. I've never claimed homosexuality is genetic. Most scientific studies lately point strongly in the direction of a genetic component, and for most people (gay, bi, or straight) sexual orientation is innate and unchanging. I do not understand your question about "rational" in this case. - Bob R.
Maybe someone should ask straight/normal/healthy kids if THEY want to be adopted by queers & lesbians! :wacko:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SixInchPrius @ May 15 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]255730[/snapback]</div> "queers and lesbians" is kindof like when George Bush says "brie and cheese". - Bob R.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobr1 @ May 15 2006, 12:31 PM) [snapback]255727[/snapback]</div> BS. Once again, casting your framework upon everyone else. You attempt to frame dislike for homosexuality based on what YOU believe to be irrational reason as immature. I suppose you would, for being a homosexual, you are, effectively, 100% biased. From your standpoint, there is no rational reason for the dislike of homosexuality is there?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:38 AM) [snapback]255732[/snapback]</div> On this much we agree. - Bob R.
I think they should be able to adopt a child, that is of course when they can give birth themselves rectally. Then when they cannot concieve and have been deemed infertal they should be allowed....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ May 15 2006, 09:41 AM) [snapback]255734[/snapback]</div> Charming.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobr1 @ May 15 2006, 12:41 PM) [snapback]255733[/snapback]</div> I guess the question is, is your standpoint infallible and correct, so to speak?
What do you think of Hitler's "Final Solution" to the problems with the existence of queers and lesbians? :huh:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 15 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]255739[/snapback]</div> No, my standpoint is not infallible. This is why, when I have a strong view against something, I am very cautious and do a lot of thinking before speaking out against it or advocating for legislation against it. I am confident enough in my viewpoint, however, to call bigotry when I see it. - Bob R. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SixInchPrius @ May 15 2006, 09:49 AM) [snapback]255741[/snapback]</div> And the winner of the "Frist reference to Hitler in a thread award" goes to SixInchPrius!
