Vote - Guess the new PiP EV range

The catch is doing that without tax-credit dependency. Achieving & Sustaining high-volume profitable sales is much harder than the low-hanging fruit approach we've seen with the gen-1 offerings.

 

Understood.

And now the regular Prius doesn't have a tax credit, nor other hybrids. I believe I bought our Prius (2010) 1 or 2 years after the tax credit expires. Tax credit is like seed funding to try and start a fire. Once the fire takes off there are other things happening (Tesla aiming to make batteries less expensive not just for their cars), volume increases which decreases costs..

Remember the Prius had a tax credit!

Solar has a lot of tax credits and it's so far help sparking that fire...Toyota might've been smart to hold on to PiP less than 200k sold for the tax credit which I think is not revised.

 

But not until high-volume sales had already been achieved. The goal with those credits was to push the technology further into the mainstream, which is quite a contrast to the breaking-new-ground approach used this time.

Using up a big chunk of them with gen-1 wouldn't have done any good. Holding onto them for mass-market efforts makes sense.

 

Something that would benefit a lot, for the sales perspective and consumer utilization, would be an option for
FAST DC charging in compliment to the regular AC Level II

 

I think I heard that won't happen. But there should be Wireless charging. I believe the battery capacity will remain fairly small.

 

I would think the Sonata discredits your statement with 27 miles EV and 40mpg combined. Besides, the non-Volts are all larger, roomier sedans that don't have much better fuel economy as plain hybrids.

The Ioniq PHEV will likely match the Sonata for EV range on the low end with better fuel economy. The Energi's are going into their fourth year with the next generation Fusion being likely for MY2018. Better to aim on besting the competition's future offerings than meet their current.

It most likely will have an ICE range extender. Gasoline is its fast charge.
The Volt doesn't have a faster AC charger, because the majority of owners are fine using a 15 amp outlet to charge, and GM's research likely showed people weren't willing to pay extra for faster charging. In the land of cheap gas, a DC fast charger will have few takers.

 

They really need to start a "breakthrough" in the relatively small EV market. The only car this really competes with is the volt. The next Prius Plug-In needs to have (at least) close to the same EV only numbers as the G2 Volt.

 

Volt isn't the competition though. Toyota's purpose is to draw interest away from customers interested in their traditional offerings.

Remember, the ultimate goal is to replace traditional vehicle production. That means delivering platforms compelling enough for people shopping for a Camry or Corolla or RAV4 or any other 20th century approach to purchase a hybrid option instead.

Appealing to those perfectly content with getting a new Corolla when their old one finally needs replacement is quite a challenge. That won't be accomplished with lots of EV. It's not as simple as trying to deliver more EV as other automakers.

 

I think it's still to early to tell the real world EV range on the new plugin. Though Toyota has made improvements on the new plugin, I'll wait for a used one in a few years.

 

I didn't even know this!

 

you should read up on the gen 4 prius.

 

I'm gonna guess 22 miles EV

 

Dutch website autoweek reports that the new PIP is called Prius Prime (at list in the US), has a 8,8 kWh batterypack good for 35 km.
Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid gepresenteerd | Autonieuws - AutoWeek.nl

 

yup.

 

see post #2.

 

Damn, Your good!!

 

now you sound like my wife.