Featured Honda: we won't be able to sell gas-only engines in China by 2025

let's make a world tour out of it.

 

I don't follow the Honda logic...if dirty cars is issue China can move to USA/CARB standards. Sounds a little more like Honda CEO trying to get his work force more plug-in orientated by making some policy assumptions. But I do think this is an exciting era for vehicle development which I support including H2 FCEV I am not picking politically correct answers..

Anyone been over in that part of world knows you got scooters taking over the road, or whatever they call em.

 

no scooter or any bicycle allowed in China Guangzhou city anymore the rest will come slowly

 

In a large country like china or the US 10,000 psi hydrogen infrastructure is very very expensive, hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars. The GDP in china is only about 2/3 the GDP in the US, and without natural gas resources Hydrogen infrastructure would be much more expensive and probably fueled by coal which has its own problems. China's government is not swayed by lobbying from Japanese companies who are doing most of the H2 lobbying today, in fact the government moves from thinking Japanese imports are ok, to being very much against them. There is no future for hydrogen consumer vehicles in china until proved somewhere else and that appears decades away. The most likely spot for proof is Japan, again, the invader of china in world war II, and bad feelings are strong.

Raising standards for pollution might help, but it would hurt chinese car companies more than foreign ones, and chinese government like the Japanese government bends over backwards for their domestic companies. The bans also decrease traffic, and push the new oil lowering plug-ins and hybrids. I think the chinese are much more likely to enforce a efficiency of oil requirement than the US.

The chinese car market is now the largest in the world, it passed the US. GM and VW make a good deal of their profits selling cars in china. I think any car company is going to take that seriously. It is not a closed market like Japan, so Honda will have to modify for Chinese tastes and bow to the chinese government if they want a share of that profit.

 

and give them all their proprietary technology.

 

...I am saying, the article does not say China is blocking ICE-only sales after 2025...instead the article seems to say Honda's CTO is making that assumption...and you know what they say about assumptions

 

I don't think china will block sales of them, but I think the CTO is right, if its not at least a hybrid or plug-in there will be a big tarrif making them not buy imports made in Japan. They may still buy bmw's and mercedes for the cache, but those two luxury makes are adding plug options to all those expensive cars they sell in china.

I expect only domestically produced gasoline models will sell in china in 2025, and I seriously doubt they will take japanese produced fuel cell vehicles in more than a token number.