CA out of green HOV Stickers

You mean the well-to do-are loosing HOV entitlements?

 

They are probably saving them for just the fool-cell vehicles.

Bob Wilson

 

won't they have exclusive rights to the hydrogen highway?

 

That is one way to look at it.

The other way is that the people that are helping to establish a robust alternative fuel car market have made their investments and will get their use of HOV lanes for several more years. But we have completed the transition phase from vehicles that use both electric (plug) & gas to electric only and we only need further investments in vehicles that use no gas at all.

Mike

 

I call it a bribe to buy something they wouldn't already myself.

 

So tax credits and subsidies are not enough for the manufacturers and end users? Sorry...I still see these as "I'm Special" Toll Tag Entitlements for the well-to-do...bribes to buy what they want you to buy.

 

that's how government works. it's called a mortgage deduction. and it's even better for business's who can deduct just about anything.

 

I'm kind of with frodoz. Those HOV lanes cost people a lot of money, they were not free to build Overwelmingly those with HOV stickers are the wealthy. Its likely that FCV and BEV buyers are more wealthy than phev buyers, and CARB is making perfectly clear if you have the money to buy the car they want you to buy, you will be privileged.

FCV and BEV. This is working exactly how carb wanted it to work. It will encourage FCV over phev just when the fcv are coming out. What carb didn't bargain for was its own incompetance on building hydrogen station, and in selling people hydrogen dreams.

Let's assume a zev credit is worth $2000 and HOV is worth $1500
fcv - $5000 california cash + 9zev + HOV = $24,500
bev long range -$7500 federal credit + $2500 california cash +4 zev +HOV = $19,500
bev short range - ... 3zev ...= $17,500
phev long range (50 miles) -$7500 federal + $1500 california = $9000.

That fcv in california gets $15,000 more than a phev in subsidies, the short range bev $8500 more. Still given the choice phev still gets a lot of miles. People may get a leaf or an i3 bev with the sticker and keep an older gasoline car because of the incentives. I doubt even with that huge extra subsidy people are going to buy many fcv, even though that is what this regulation is all about.

 

otoh, it's helping to promote bev's, which helps further the r&d and tech which will eventually reach down th lower income drivers like me. so it's not all bad.

 

Even the GenII Pri was costly when it came out. But 9 or 10 months later, there were bargins to be had. Thus - we got our yellow stickers on our 2004. Now the same is true with white stickers. You can pick up a used Leaf for a song, and white stickers are not limited. Heres one on ebay (typical of what I've seen) that closes in just a few minutes for $9,500;
nissan leaf with hov | eBay
Just sayin' ... that doesn't require being to much in the "wealthy" class

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Sure its fine as long as you don't drive in California where your high gas taxes help pay for these hov lanes that you can't use unless you buy a fcv or bev. We should just not imagine that the zev credits or hov access are "free" even though they are not a budget line in Sacramento.

As a side note texas is getting a lot of used california leafs and model S's. There is trickle. California is paying to make used plug-ins cheaper. Then again they get a big share the the federal credits for plug-ins and solar, so its the countries taxes.

No, but the last I saw the median income in california was $175,000 for bev ownership, and fcv were targeting $125,000 and over. Certainly these sub 100 mile bevs are affordable, more than twice the median household income of $61,000 in California. Everyone pays for the HOV lanes, but ... the politicians want the rich to be able to go faster. Its just a nit I have with government. My guess is the median home with a fcv will have 3 cars.

 

if you have two passengers, you get to use it 'free'?

 

Yeah, sorta.... green HOV stickers were for PHEVs only.

White stickers which have no cap on the # issued are for pure BEVs, qualified CNGs and LPG-fueled vehicles, and hydrogen FCEVs,

Chart at Eligible Vehicles - Single Occupant Carpool Lane Use Stickers.

 

CNG sales were so low, it doesn't bode well for the hydrogen highway.

Bob Wilson