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Gen4, is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by cyclopathic, Oct 1, 2015.

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  1. bisco

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    having owned a '72 mgb, i feel his pain. like a bulldozer tranny.
     
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  2. cyclopathic

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    IMHOccross-rotation even more important on Prius as in many situations rear brakes will not engage. If you just do front/rear after a while both pairs will be sharpened in the same direction, and will become progressively louder. Up to 60mph 80% of the noise is from tires and this is an easy way to keep it under control. We can talk about soundproofing but this is for different thread.
    Back to Gen4 I am sure it is quieter, but people forget how much quieter new tires are, and when you drive car daily it is hard to see how it is getting progressively worse.


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    My opinion is that the new one is not worth it. Gen 3 is selling in my area for $18.5k and Gen 4's reduction in rear seat room is a deal breaker for my needs. We switched from a 12 Camry, and the reduced room was acceptable. Another 2.5 inches loss is a lot.
     
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    I think the reduction of leg room is only on paper .
    According to visitors of the IAA in Frankfurt the interior has near enough the same dimensions as gen. 2 .
    The front seats however retreat way further back then they did in gen 3 ,so of course if they are all the way back that leeds to decreased leg room in the back compared with gen. 3,but as I said probably only on paper .
    I can't imagine Toyota decreasing leg room by more than 6 cm,there would be hardly any leg room left and the Prius is not known for that !
     
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    I think bisco? made calculations and the front+rear leg room of Gen4 is actually smaller than Prius C (Aqua), and definitely smaller than Gen3. So unless they made front seats longer, the space is less. I also recall Toyota PowerPoint youtube video which shows metamorphosis, and it definitely shows rear seat moved forward. BTW cycledrum is saying that new seats are shorter than old ones.

    Prius C leg room is borderline, usable if you have driver <170cm, and anything less would be tough sell for families with kids. 6' teenagers, bulky baby seats need more rear space. Increasing trunk space? not so much, b/c people who need it buy trucks, SUVs and minivans, and Gen3 had plenty.

    I am guessing the reason rear seat got moved back is b/c of the packaging issues: the rear suspension, roof hump and most important battery re-location. On C/Aqua to get the battery where it is they just pushed rear wheels back, but it could not be done on TNGA.
     
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    I believe we shouldn't rely on calculations done by people who have never entered that car or did he ?
    There are so many factors here we are probably not aware of !
    Only Danny,Wayne or Tideland can really make a clear judgement on that unless Bisco saw the car in person too and had the chance to take messurments !
    All I can say is that people at the IAA who were a little unhappy with gen. 3 dimensions,were happy with those of the 4. generations .
    If leg room really has decreased by an enormous amount of over 6 cm I am sure they would have noticed that !
    But I do agree,if it really is true it would be a rediculous move by Toyota making the car longer and at the same time reducing interior room and giving up one of their greatest advantages they have over their competitors!
     
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    I think the rear seat leg room in the Prius is quite good. I do, in fact, think the Prius IS known for that.
     
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    For the THIRD time now, i actually sat in the car and could sit behind myself. I am 1.89 cm. Last weekend i sat in a Audi A8 and that had definitely less space in the back.
     
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    Yeah well, 1.89 cm's ain't that big. :whistle:
     
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    Yeap it is a couple inches shorter than avg high schooler, right? :whistle:
     
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    Oeps, little mistake.
    But FACT is that it's roomy in the back.
     
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    "Gen4, is it worth it?"

    Absolutely not unless you like cars that depreciate rapidly!
     
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    There are here some very active people that do not want listen.
     
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    Why would Toyota spec less leg room if it is not actually less? There are standards for measuring leg room and I am sure Toyota uses the same method on all of their cars. I am going to believe Toyota engineers over random subjective opinions.
     
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    Because they will have a standard formula for calculating leg room and it likely does not cover all of the variables that affect whether a person can fit comfortably in the space or not.
     
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    Read again ! :confused:
    Merged again ! :confused:
    This is what they say about leg room in Britain!
    Do they get a different Prius ?
    I guess not !


    Leg room is impressive no matter where you sit in the fourth-generation Prius, but anyone over six feet tall will need to slump slightly in the rear seats to avoid rubbing their head on the roof.



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    I hope you are right but at this point I will only believe my own eyes
     
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    I actually explained that several times now ! :rolleyes:
     
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    Maybe you should explain it to Toyota's engineers and they will increase the rear legroom spec.
     
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    I know this is somewhat subjective... but the guy in this video looks very tall...
    Look how much legroom there is in the back seat!

     
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