Not sure how this can happen, I put in a magnaflow cat in a 2006 and lost 10 mpg on a 300 mile drive. Anybody know how this can happen? Mpg at only 35 now
not sure about direction, just a thought. I was told to change the O2 sensors with the cat, of course it might just be a way to get more money out of me from the muffler shop.
A muffler shop installed it, I hope they would know if there's a specific direction of flow. My guess is bad gas from samsclub and my engine is not running right at highway speeds. My latest tank with Costco gas and local driving, I'm back up to 45mpg avg. I'll run another 300 miles on the highway in the next day or two, see how that goes
bad week for repaired prius, my battery rebuild failed,took out for a fast coffee run this morning and its got the same problem as before but the red triangle has not come back, YET..shit happens with old cars..
a P0420 is most commonly the downstream o2 sensor , with an upsell of a new cat. Sometimes the cat is needed and can be confirmed with a flow test. Did the P0420 come and go or remain constant?
The check engine came on for a while then off. I only got p0420, no codes pointing to sensor. Check engine light has not returned since cat replaced
cat?...looks like a dog to me... do you think they cut off 12v power during the repair? Sometimes seems to need a tank or so to reset after that. Or maybe ran it low.
I'm thinking of disconnecting the 12v to see if things change. It seems the gas engine is the problem, highway is where I'm losing the mpg. I made a 300 mile trip and average 35mpg. But during local non highway driving, the average was 45-46mpg. Again I made the return trip of 300 miles and again the mileage dropped to around 35mpg. So it's my gas engine that's causing the issue, not the electric hybrid side.
The problem is resolving itself but with the new Cat, there's still a little loss of MPG. I think the OEM stuff is just superior to the aftermarket. Overall I might be down 2-3 mpg, not the 10mpg I was experiencing earlier.
If Cat was originally poisoned by the engine (ie high miles oil-consuming engine, tune up-starved, oil/gas additives etc), those conditions will still deliver poor MPG, and will eventually poison new Cat too if not corrected. An exhaust restriction inadvertently welded into system will show as loss of power at higher speed demands along with poor MPG. Sustained slower highway speeds, however, should still result in good/normal MPG with slight exhaust system restriction (1-1/2" pipe 86" long is not much for a 1500cc engine. Personally had deep rock ding that may have ruined my Cat. Air/Fuel (front A/F O2) sensor should definitely be replaced when doing Cat with OEM Toyota A/F sensor (1 hour or so job for experience dealer-tech via windshield wiper assy/rain pan access, NOT the excessive 4hrs and $700 as some stealer/dealers claim, $400 dealer max, DIY=$150 been there did one). But keep in mind, there are many many reasons for poor MPG as we all know, even low tire pressure and/or wheel alignment. Really registered and came to PC, for first time however, to post sneaky little Smart Key advisory and/or fix I found, just couldn't resist on the Cat/MPG
Welcome and thanks for the write up. I don't think anything has changed to my system, no exhaust restriction welded. My car does burn oil so that's probably what poisoned the original cat. Just cut off old cat, weld on new cat. Seems like driving around 70mph, I can maintain good steady 45mpg+, but once I go beyond 70mph, that's where it would starting dropping mpg (especially climbing hills). Before the new cat, I don't remember the car being so sensitive to mpg at over 70mph. I believe the aftermarket Magnaflow cat is just not as good as the OEM.
Some catalyst poisoning is reversible, with operation at high load being all you need to restore the cat. I have an 82 pickup with ~400k miles, a 92 Camry with ~200k+ miles, and a 05 Prius with ~200k+ miles, all passing smog on the original catalytic converters. I'm not sure if you still have the old cat, but it might be worth hanging on to.
Some info for OP . OBD2 Error code P0420 - Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold possible CHEAP FIX for any car.
FYI, while P0420 *can* be a sensor issue, such cases seem to be exceedingly rare according to every tech I've come across around these parts. I suppose it doesn't hurt to spend $100 or so, just in case that's the fix that's needed, but far more often than not, it'll end up being the catalytic converter.