where 100 == no pollution Electric: 65 BMW i3 61 Smart ForTwo EV Hybrid: 57 Prius C 56 BMW i3 with V2 engine Gasoline: 54 Mirage 1.2 53 Smart ForTwo 1.0 and Toyota-Scion IQ Natural Gas: 54 Civic CNG Diesel: 47 Jetta and Golf Other Random Cars of Note: 51 Fiesta with 3 cylinder engine 50 Volt 47 Tesla S 40 Charger V6 39 Porsche Panamera hybrid 29 Charger Hellcat (the 707 hp machine reviewers are drooling over) 19 Veyron Ranked by the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy. LINK: GreenerCars Ratings | Greener Cars
Meaningless. Actually? That's being generous. A Smart For Too car is "cleaner" than a PHEV? BRAVO-SIERRA! I remember when the diesel dorks were also saying that the Hummer was cleaner than a Prius. Same BS. Different Pasture. Now..... Time to check my blocks.
Criticizing ACEEE makes about as much sense as criticizing Greenpeace.... they are both ultra-liberal pro-earth organizations. Anyway I'm surprised the Tesla is rated no cleaner (47) than a diesel (47) and almost as dirty as a V6 muscle car (40). Greenercars says it's because the car uses a lot of energy to assemble 4500 pounds of metal, gears, et cetera. Plus its MPG is much lower than other EVs so its emits more pollution while being charged off the US grid. I'm also surprised the Hellcat is as clean as 29. I expected it to be closer to the Veyron or Porsche 911
I'm not sure why you are surprised today, when you posted similar statements from the same source more than a year ago. France curbs Paris car drivers to combat dangerous smog | Page 4 | PriusChat FORD revises MPG for 6 cars | Page 5 | PriusChat
Well I don't see anything dishonest with either ACEEE or Greenpeace or the EPA GREET study these car calculations are based on, but whatever (shrug). Oh and you misread the chart. The Smart ForTwo with gasoline does NOT outrank the plugin i3
The details of how they calculated this is what matters. What are the lifetime miles assumed? Is it the same for every car? Do they assume you ever do any maintenance and extend the life of the car. No one really knows what will be done to extend the life of a 10+ yr old EV. Will they be scrapped? Will people rebuild the batteries and give them 5-7 more years and another 50-75K more miles? Mike
According to their methodology (http://www.greenercars.org/sites/default/files/file_room/2015methodologyupdate.pdf), default values of the GREET model are used. GREET2 (vehicle-cycle emissions) assumes a lifetime of 160,000 miles for all vehicle technologies.
you shouldn't be surprised - Art Spinella used to make the same kind of hoakey statements about the Prius. Many here on PC (disproving his Hummer is more environmentally friendly than a Prius 'study' - how it was a big fraud) drove him out of business and probably to an early grave.
Source: GreenerCars Ratings | Greener Cars September 21, 2015 Note: On September 18thEPA issued a notice of violation (link is external) of the Clean Air Act to Volkswagen for including software in their diesel vehicles that helps circumvent EPA emission standards for nitrogen oxides. As a result, Greenercars.org has suspended Green Scores for the following affected vehicles until further notice as these scores are no longer valid: Volkswagen Jetta TDI and Jetta Sportwagen TDI (MY2009 - MY2015) Volkswagen Beetle and Beetle Convertible TDI (MY2009 - MY2015) Audi A3 TDI (MY2009 - MY2015) Volkswagen Golf TDI (MY2009 - MY2015) Volkswagen Passat TDI (MY2014 - MY2015) Golf Sportwagen TDI (MY2015) Bob Wilson
