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2006 Prius - Check Engine and Red Triangle

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by seanwfsu, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. strawbrad

    strawbrad http://minnesotahybridbatteries.com

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    I use Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market to find junk yard batteries. The best deal I found close to Knoxville, TN is a $300 core at Hayes Auto Parts in Bowling Green, KY. Welcome to Hayes Auto Parts Buying cores is a crap shoot. You might get a battery just like yours with just a few bad modules or it could be all bad modules. The only thing you can check before purchase is the voltage to give you an idea if there is anything of value. Having two complete batteries will allow you to pick and chose the best modules from both. And you will have spares ready for the next time a module goes bad. You then need a way to charge the modules to full and a standardized discharge to compare all the modules.

    I agree that one at a time is a way to get really good at taking your battery apart. I recommend testing all the modules and not just guessing at which are bad.

    Brad
     
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  2. seanwfsu

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    Looking at the option of replacing the modules in my daughter's battery with Gen3 modules. Found on the car-parts.com site that a local salvage yard has 2 2010 batteries in stock. I called them and 1 of the batteries came from a vehicle with 51k miles but was pulled 167 days ago and the other battery came from a vehicle with 67K miles and was pulled 49 days. My understanding from what I read on PC is that the 167 day old pull is too old and shouldn't be considered but was unsure of the 49 day old pull. Is that too old as well? The battery is approximately $1000 and there is $325 core fee since it is a Gen3 battery and mine is a Gen2.

    Additionally I would need to buy 4 or so DC6 charger/dechargers to run several cycles to rebalance all the modules once the modules are installed into my Gen2 core correct?

    Thanks.
     
  3. Patrick Wong

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    I would buy either of those happily, and without concern - as long as they are accurately represented as a complete battery pulled from a working vehicle (as opposed to a "remanufactured" battery where modules have been swapped in and out.) People let their Prius sit for 6 months or more at a time (for example, snowbirds who have two or more homes) and there is no problem with the traction battery.

    Further, the point of buying a complete and functional 3G battery and moving all 28 modules over is so that you can avoid the rebalancing exercise.

    I suggest you bring some tools so that you can remove the battery case cover and inspect the 28 modules, looking for sequential serial numbers and any signs of tampering within.

    $1,325 is a pretty high total price - see if you can do better by continuing to look around.
     
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  4. strawbrad

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    The issue here is self discharge. It takes just one module with excessive self discharge to disable a whole a pack. Patrick is right that with a 2010 this should not, but could, be an issue. Modules with excessive self discharge are junk and should not be reused. This is also a golden opportunity to do a self discharge test. Just measure the voltages of all the modules. This must be done before any load or charge is put on the packs. It is also one of the few times when static voltage means something. The voltages should be well within a .1 volt range. I have noticed that the two end modules tend to run at a slightly different voltage than the rest of the pack. You must also remember that until the bus bars are removed high voltage is present. If the modules pass the self discharge voltage test you are good to go. The module terminals and bus bars should be cleaned before reassembly. Your core has value.
     
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    Wanted to provide the outcome to this issue. Got a 2 year old Toyota original Gen 2 battery that had been a replacement in a 2005 Prius at a great price thanks to dpeverhart. Followed the videos on youtube from Powell Smith along with guidance from several members here to install it. Car has been up and running well for about a month. My daughter now has a big grin on her face. Thanks to everyone for the assistance with an extra salute to Patrick Wong, strawbrad and dpeverhart.
     
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