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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by electrontechnik, Jul 14, 2015.

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    electrontechnik - How many times, and at what mileage, in 192,000 miles did you change the engine coolant?
     
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    It was never changed when I owned it, but i have been checking it every 20k or so ( bought it at 80k) with a antifreeze check instrument. Still looking good...all the balls floating in the tool.
     
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    Coolant deteriorates, becomes acidic and dissolves cylinder head gaskets. Not changing engine coolant before it goes bad is a major cause of blown head gaskets.

    The balls floating in your tester measure freeze protection, not PH. PH is measured with test strips that turn color to indicate numerical acidity. New coolant is typically 8 to 9. 7 is neutral. Below 7 is acidic.
     
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    I checked my coolant with the multimeter voltage test and found the following result: The coolant is still good. The multimeter test is a substitute for the acid test strips. As coolant ages and exhaust gases turn the coolant acidic, the coolant system becomes a battery and electrolysis causes internal damage. Hence the need for coolant changes over time. So yes, /u/Den49 is correct, but at this time my coolant is still good.

    Here is the coolant multimeter test procedure: Test procedure

    And a video (not mine):


    0.2 V to 0.5 V - good
    0.5 V to 0.7 V - due for a change
    0.7 V or over - change it now.

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    And one more for good measure:
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    electrontechnik - Thanks for the video. Conductivity testing is a good test but not an absolute indication of coolant PH because coolant with a good PH can be conductive due to a bad ground connection that causes current to flow through the cooling system and register on the meter.

    Also, the video states that the meter reading for good coolant should be under 0.05 V (not 0.5V). The meter readings you show in the above pictures are 0.17 and 0.14 which are much higher than 0.05, indicating very bad coolant.
     
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    Yeah his digits are off in the video, everywhere else is confirmed that the correct range is 0.X not 0.0X. In the comments for the video and the article link you can see this. I just linked his video because it was the first one I found.

    Also, I should add, I conducted the test with the car in the off mode, not turned on at all, so there is no interaction with the car's 12v or hybrid systems.

    Edit: looks like I'll have to go to a garden store for pH test strips, no auto supply around here has them :(
     
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    That's a relief. Hope everything goes well with the repair and your Prius is restored to good health. Good luck.
     
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    I hate it when someone tells you to do something, but not the reason for doing it. I learned a very specific reason in this thread, for timely changing the coolant.
     
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    i've heard about it and have huge reservations. there are too many variables. type of metal in the meter electrode and engine, internal meter resistance, etc.

    if one wants to pursue coolant testing, there are commercial testing strips, not cheap last time i checked. it's easier just to change coolant every 100,000 miles IMHO.
     
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    I understand the meter probes could change the results a small amount (probes high in plated copper vs. other metals), but how does internal multimeter resistance affect it?

    In any case, I am working to get some PH test strips which will settle it once and for all.

    Oh and... When to Replace Engine and Inverter Coolant? | PriusChat
     
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    there are so many unknowns, i don't even know what 'clean looking coolant' means? it seems prudent to change it at factory recommended intervals. or more often if you intend to keep the car for several thousands of miles.
     
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    This means that if the coolant were poured into a glass and a few ice cubes added, you would not hesitate to drink it. (Of course, antifreeze is poisonous so this would be a very bad idea.)

    With some vehicles, when the coolant is changed at the manufacturer-specified interval, the drained coolant contains debris and looks/smells nasty. This usually is not the case with the Prius.

    In any event, I think the OP needs to change the coolant now, if it is the original fill - way past due.
     
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    You want to change the coolant before it goes bad. Bad coolant allows corrosion which is what you want to prevent. Therefore, the coolant that comes out of the engine when it is changed should look just like the coolant you put in, if not you waited too long to change the coolant.
     
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    can it be bad, even if it looks good?
     
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    And this is why I got my coolant changed at the dealer last week for $100. Honestly I'm super cheap, but is having to rebuild your engine worth it? I feel really good about spending that money, honestly. And I NEVER go to the dealer (diy oil changes all the way!). Just look at it as insurance
     
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    How'd that go? They managed to avoid air pockets, did a decent job?

    I do hope they drain the block as well; a few posters have mentioned they sometimes just drain the rad.

    I did a civic coolant change recently: a blinking deluge came out of the block.
     
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    They did a complete engine coolant flush. They did a great job, no air in the system, also quick service and friendly people. My dad asked me if they pushed other services on me, or tried to sell me stuff I didn't need, I said "nope! You can't sale any services to a car with 260,000 that is in perfect mechanical condition!" The worst thing about my car is my paint!
     
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    What did the drained coolant look like? Per your post #30, did you use pH strips on the drained coolant?
     
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    The drained coolant was slightly redder but still pink, but I haven't drained the radiator yet, still a gallon or two in there. I've saved a sample for pH testing, since I got a liquid pH test kit (used for soil, but could be for anything else) and it tried it and it was inconclusive. Need to go to more garden centers...the big box stores are no match...I spent an hour looking for the strips and the closest I got was the pH liquid.

    But it did occur to me after the fact that I could go to a aquarium store as well as a pool supply house.