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Replace OEM 12V battery with Group 25 AGM

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by cproaudio, Jul 9, 2015.

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    If you want an OEM replacement battery without any modifications, please use batteries listed in this thread. 12V battery List | PriusChat Otherwise, read on.

    This is how I upgrade the stock battery to a more powerful group 25 AGM battery.

    Parts needed are as followed
    Group 25 AGM battery - The one I got is Rural King RK-AGM25 (Exide rebrand)
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    Positive terminal - I bought 90982-05054 It is the closest match to the original Prius terminal in SAE size and it is the latest revision.
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    Ground cable - I bought Everstart LF15-4-77 4-Gauge Top Post Battery Cable, 15-Inches - Walmart.com because it’s inexpensive and kind of looks like original ground cable.

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    Vent tube - All Exide AGM batteries i’ve seen use BMW standard vents and will not work with the Prius OEM vent tube. If your battery didn’t come with any vent elbow, you can purchase the Dorman 924-254 vent kit. My battery came with the vent elbow but no vent tube. I went to homedepot bought a ¼ ID vinyl tube
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    Now I got all my parts, the work begins.

    I placed a battery charger on the jump start terminal under the hood so I won’t lose any memory settings of the car.
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    I removed the trunk panels to gain access to the 12V battery.
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    I remove the fusible link from the positive terminal and placed it in a work glove to prevent accidental short.
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    I removed the battery hold down bar, the ground cable, vent tube, stock battery with the positive terminal still attached, and the battery tray.
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    I measured the provision screw holes to determine where to drill the new hole on the battery tray.
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    I drill a new hole ½” left of the right hole.
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    I remount the battery tray to the floorboard 1.5” away from the original spot.
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    I place the new battery in the battery tray.
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    I attach the new ground cable and the new positive terminal, the fusible link to positive terminal, vent tube and mounted the battery hold down bar.
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    Lastly, I disconnect the charger from the jump start terminal under the hood. The whole process took about 30 minutes.
     
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    So I took apart the battery mount to see if I can put a larger battery. To my surprise, Toyota made it possible to mount the battery tray in a way that increases the depth by 1.5” with little modification. The total depth after modification is 7" deep. I did a dry mount just to see if it actually work.

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    I set out to look for batteries that will take advantage of the extra space. I measured the maximum dimension of the new battery space and came up with 9.5”L 7.75”H and 7”D. The stock battery is about 9.375”L 7.75”H and 4.875”D.

    While searching for infos on the OEM battery, I came across this page I determined D23R will take advantage of the extra space.

    After looking through CAT battery catalog I found group 25 to be the direct replacement for D23R and group 35 to be the direct replacement for D23L. I also looked through this page and found group 22F, 47, 72, 75 and 86 to also physically fit but either slight oversized or undersized or wrong post orientation. Group 25 is the best fit of all the groups.

    ------------------Here are some of the reasons why you might consider using a larger size battery.------------------
    1 You’ve installed a powerful inverter
    2 You’ve installed a High power stereo system
    3 You want longer radio listing on ACC while waiting in the parking lot.
    4 You can get a much more powerful battery at similar cost as OEM battery
    5 You get fresher batteries with shorter time on the shelf than OEM battery

    ------------------Things to consider when choosing your battery.------------------

    Type, Safety and Cost.
    Due to the location of the Prius battery (inside the cabin and next to the rear quarter panel), any kind of moderate to severe rear end accident will most likely puncture the battery case. The Prius requires a 12V battery that will not spill any liquid if punctured. With spill proof as a requirement, a wet cell battery is eliminated as a possible replacement battery. The alternative battery must be spill proof. The only spill proof battery is either gel cell or AGM. This is why OEM battery is significantly more expensive than other car batteries.
    Traditional lead-acid battery is not recommended for the Prius. You don’t want to get this all over your interior in an accident http://share.gifyoutube.com/yoMPa4.gif


    ------------------To Vent Or Not To Vent------------------
    OEM battery has a vent tubes in place to exhaust hydrogen gas out of the cabin. Unfortunately, a lot of AGM batteries don’t have vent hole readily accessible to install the vent tube.

    Things to consider when using batteries without vent attachments.

    1 AGM battery produces little or no hydrogen gas during normal operation.
    2 The Prius battery is located between the HV Battery exhaust and exhaust vent on the rear quarter panel. HV fan should exhaust any gases out of the car or disburse into the cabin.
    3 Unvented hydrogen exhausted from the battery would have risen to the ceiling and away from the battery.
    4 Many AGM batteries are recombinant in that any gases created during the charging process will recombine internally. Out gassing will only occur in the event of overheating or overcharging. They can be installed in the passenger compartment or trunk space of any vehicle for this reason.

    ------------------Batteries with vents.------------------

    Almost all of the Exide Edge AGM batteries and its rebranded counterparts have BMW vent holes on each side regardless of battery group. Group 47 from any brands also has vent attachments because it’s made for BMWs. The downside of using group 47 is that its terminal is reversed and the posts are recessed.

    More Info Coming
     
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    The battery I went with is RuralKing RK-AGM25 (Exide rebrand) because it’s inexpensive.
    Here are a few pictures for comparison with OEM battery. It is about ⅛” taller, ⅜” narrower and 1.5” deeper. I was a bit disappointed that the battery has been sitting on the shelf for about 4 months. When I received the battery, it was sitting at about 12.65V. I charged it for 3 hours at 15A auto setting then trickle charge at 2A auto for 8 hours. This brought up the voltage to just over 13V.
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    Replacing the stock JIS terminal to standard SAE terminals.

    ELearnAid has an Install kit consist of aftermarket positive terminal and ground cable and installation instruction. http://www.elearnaid.com/pakitforinop.html

    If you insist on using Toyota OEM terminal, use 90982-05054. It is the closest match to the Prius terminal in SAE size and it is also the latest revision. You can also use these parts as well for positive terminal.

    90982-05030 Nut on left side
    90982-05035 Nut on right side
    90982-05037 Nut on left side
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    90982-05054 Closest match to the original Prius terminal in SAE size with nut on same side and it is the latest revision.
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    90982-05056 Closest match to the original Prius terminal in SAE size with nut on left side and it is the latest revision.


    OEM ground terminal - requires a 4 AWG ground cable with ring terminals at both end.
    90982-06022 Nut on right side
    90982-06024 Nut on left side
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    90982-06059 Nut on left side
    90982-06070 Nut on right side

    OEM Ground cable with SAE terminal.

    82123-47010 2001-2003 Prius OEM SAE ground cable as seen here

    Aftermarket ground cable with SAE terminal at Walmart. It’s inexpensive and kind of looks like original ground cable.
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    Mounting the battery.
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    Clearance around the battery.
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    Other possible batteries that will fit.
    List coming soon.

    Installing reverse post battery. 2 ways to install reverse post battery. One, keeping positive post on the same side like this guy. You'll need to make an extension like him. The problem is that the battery cover has a support leg that occupy the same area as the extension would be. You can cut the leg on the red circle to get clearance.
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    Second way is to mount normally with the posts reversed. You shouldn't have any problem with the ground post. You'll need to extend the OEM positive wire to the fusible link. The Positive terminal will mount close to the metal wall by the brake lights.
     
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    Very nice & detailed write up!
     
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    Interesting research on battery possibilities; thanks.

    If #3 above applies, but not #2, you could obtain a much greater improvement in radio-listening time without going to a heavier battery, by installing a switch to connect any always-on 12V+ circuit to the radio, bypassing the ACC circuitry. That's because the current required by the basic radio itself is a lot less than the current just to maintain ACC mode with nothing on. However, you need a circuit diagram to make that modification safely.

    Some alternative AGM batteries that don't specifically include a venting connection can easily be modified to include that feature. Whether that's worth doing is debatable, considering the risk of not venting is so remote, for reasons you enumerated. I did it anyway, mostly to minimize criticism from people who're convinced venting is critical.
     
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    I think it would be a great addition to this thread to include the amp-hour rating (and @ what discharge rate) of the larger battery you've selected, just so it can be compared to the OEM and get a more quantitative sense of this improvement. I tried to read it off some of the photos that showed the label, but without success....

    -Chap
     
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    Group Size 25
    Part Number RK-AGM25
    CCA at 0°F 650
    RC MIN @ 25A 110
    Ah Cap. @ 20hr 53
    Dimensions 9 1/16" L x 6 5/8" W x 8 5/8" H
    Battery Terminal Type A
     
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    The JIS Rural King battery:

    Group Size 51 JIS
    Part Number RK-AGM51JIS
    CCA at 0°F 440
    RC MIN @ 25A 75
    Ah Cap. @ 20hr 45
    Dimensions 9 5/16" L x 4 15/16" W x 8 1/2" H
    Battery Terminal Type JIS
     
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    From Cproaudio's post:

    -----------------------OEM Battery Information------------------------
    Spec: S46B24R GS YUASA
    Part# 28800-21171 Original
    Part# 00544-21171-325 TrueStart (Johnson Control Rebrand?) 24MO warranty, 60MO Prorated
    Width: 4 7/8" 127mm, 129mm
    Length: 9 3/8" 236mm
    Height: 8" (plus posts) - 202mm (No Post), 225mm (Including Posts)
    Capacity 20HR: 45AH

    The Rural King, Bosche Platinum, and Exide batteries all seem to be the same.
     
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    Exide has a nice brochure about why their AGM batteries are more awesome than anyone else's:

    http://www.exide.com/Media/files/Downloads/TransAmer/Products/Edge%204%20page%20booklet%20non%20spread.pdf

    I'm replacing my battery just because the dealer told me that the one in my beautiful 2010 Pri was still the original, and 6 years seems to getting much too close to the MTBF to make me comfortable. $140 including new terminals seemed like a reasonable price to me, but then I'm used to paying Volvo prices, so my perceptions may be a little warped.
     
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    I have JBL system with Safety Connect and self parking. I would need to make switches for too many components and I would have to cut wires. If you got a basic radio then 1 switch should work.

    I didn't list battery performance specs because I don't think it's as important as dimension specs for this mod. There are so many batteries out there that their performance specs don't mean anything if it doesn't fit.

    I think the first question you have to ask yourself before choosing an alternative battery is how important venting is to you.

    If vent is important to you, then you're choice is pretty limited to Exide Edge AGM and its rebranded cousins such as Bosch Platinum AGM and Rural King AGM. The specs for those batteries are readily available on the web. Pepboys has a 25% off promo code for their batteries including the Bosh AGM til the end of the year.

    Many AGM battery manufacturers have designed their batteries to work inside the cabin without vent.

    If you're OK without vents, you'll have more batteries to choose from, including the most powerful one from Odyssey. Odyssey Group 25
    Reserve Capacity Minutes 130
    20Hr Nominal Capacity (Ah) 65
     
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    Well, I finally finished my Rural King AGM installation! (Why yes, I do procrastinate a lot. Why do you ask?) Kind of a pain in the butt, though.

    A few notes from my experience:

    1) While you have the battery out, it's a good time to easily install mesh over the exhaust flaps, to keep the meeces and other critters out. Otherwise,before this mod, it's a major pain to get to the vent behind the battery . After you move the battery bracket for this mod, it will be almost impossible to get to the exhaust flaps without removing the battery and the bracket.

    2) The OEM positive and negative connectors can be (partially) re-used, if you're willing to do a little creative re-arranging/hole enlargement. I used these marine grade SAE terminals from Walmart. (Mostly because I'm an idiot and couldn't find the ones I ordered from Amazon, and couldn't wait any longer to do this job). I re-used the negative cable by cutting the battery post attachment down to where there was just one hole, turning it sideways, and then enlarging that hole to fit over the new terminal screw. This also let me feel more secure about the attachment to the sheet metal. I attached one of cproaudio's pictures of the oem ground cable I notated to show where I cut, in case anyone else is crazy enough to want to do this also. I re-used the positive connector by simply enlarging the hole in the thin plated copper connector that attaches to the battery. Both sides seem to be held securely by the wing nuts that came with the terminals.
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    3) The relocated bracket was right up against the sheet metal, which made me nervous about scratching and wear. I used a couple of small pieces from an old rubber floormat I had lying around to act as a cushion between the bracket and the car.
     
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    Do you have pictures of your installation?
    Edit: Well, It was good while it lasted. Rural King has stopped shipping batteries for online orders. Their AGM batteries are in store only now. This may change in the future though.
     
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    That battery kit is listed on post 3. Elearnaid put together that battery kit for using Group 51 yellow tops before Optima released the Prius battery in the US.
     
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    Just wanted to say thank you Cproaudio for the research and write up.
    Just finished the Group 25 with your specified parts and it all went in with no problems.

    Group Size 25
    Part Number RK-AGM25
    CCA at 0°F 650

    The vent kit you mentioned came with a hose that fit the Prius floor plug. Trimmed the tube down and no tape was needed. Snug fit.

    I have 101K miles on my 2011 so the little battery has served me well. Winter is coming and as I get older I don't want to worry about this in the middle of winter on those below 0 nights.

    The west coast folks don't get that temperature torture on the 12v battery like we do with no garage.

    My power inverter will also be more happy with the large capacity battery when we loose power or go camping.

    Thanks a bunch.
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    UPDATE after driving:

    Observation after install:
    While monitoring scan gauge II, I noticed the ICE shuts off more often. On local roads the ICE would shut down. Coasting on the highway, I look down and see the ICE is off again. That almost never happened at least not lately on the old battery.

    My hypothesis:
    1.) The smaller OEM Toyota battery requires the engine to run often to keep it charged because it quickly drops in voltage since it's small.
    2.) With that, the now very old, little OEM battery, 5.5yrs, the engine was constantly running to keep it topped off. Small and old.
    3.) The new larger battery is fully charged almost all the time as seen by the car computer so it does not need to run the engine to charge the larger 12v battery as often.

    Recommendation:
    1.) If you change your battery and want to drive more often on the hybrid Prius battery get a larger 12v.
    2.) If your 12v OEM battery is old say 5 plus year old, I would start thinking about changing it because the ICE is running more often to keep it topped off.

    Big and new 12v battery = running on hybrid battery more often.

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    The vent kit was the last resort if the battery didn't come with the vent elbow. My battery came with the elbows but no tube. I didn't want to hack up the OEM tube so I bought new tubes. As for the duct tape at the floor vent hole, I lost the OEM vent tube grommet when I did my plugin conversion.
    Just wondering if there are any MPG improvements now that the ICE shuts down more often?
     
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    Cproaudio,

    FYI - I used the Walmart 2 gauge neg wire 19" instead of the your 4 gauge in your notes. I'm a sucker for ground upgrades. Every car of mine has them.
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    Ok, I was wondering if I was the only one noticing the larger 12v battery effects of more EV mode and less ICE.

    Tonight I checked at every stop light, with the heater fan at 50% and headlights on, the ICE was stopped the entire time until the light turned green. It's also 25 deg this evening. So the car was having trouble getting up to near 195 deg running temp I usually see.

    I don't know the in's and outs numbers of the engineering behind the 12v.
    What I do know is that the 12v is for all the accessories. This is by design so you don't drain the hybrid battery on accident by leaving something on or if it's parked for long period of times.

    The cheaper, DIY replaceable, 12v becomes the part that is replaced more often.

    Is there anyone else with the larger battery Group 25 mod and a scan gauge II who can confirm deny my experience?

    One more thought, maybe my old battery was so bad that I can't remember the last time it ran on EV mode so often.

    Really glad I did your upgrade. Good job.
     
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