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Real World MPG on 3 week 3,750 Mile Road Trip to Northwest U.S.

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by Alyn99, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. Alyn99

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    Just finished a 3,750 mile 3 week road trip in my 2014 PIP and averaged 51MPG. Journey took me from Los Angeles to: Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Logan, Jackson Hole, Bozeman, Butte, Spokanne, Seattle, Vancouver, Victoria, Sequim, Astoria, Crescent City, Ukiah, San Francisco, San Jose and finally back to L.A. I covered some pretty mountainous terrain and on the journey up north it was pretty much uphill all the way. I recharged about twice a week but only did perhaps 20 miles in straight EV mode (stops for road work, short trips from gas stations to coffee shops, etc). When going from Butte Montana to Vancouver I was in a hurry so I was flooring it through the mountain passes at speeds of 75-80 mph. I saw mpg as low as 18-25 at these speeds but as I was going uphill in power mode at 80 mph I was still impressed (my old Land Rover would have been doing about 3 or 4 mpg in that situation). I did take a noticeable MPG hit on course, rough asphalt roads in Montana, Washington and Oregon as compared to the smooth concrete highways I am used to in Los Angeles. I ran 44psi front 43psi rear on new Avid S33 stock tires. I drove solo and did a lot of balancing of my cargo and pulse and glide tests before leaving and this setup gave me the best coast speeds. I can tell you I finally understand why a lot of folks driving on rough asphalt get worse MPG with the Prius as opposed to those of us in So Cal -- road surface matters MPG-wise. I have a PIP advanced and the only mods so far are Rude person's's front and mid brace. The car handled like a dream with these mods and I pushed it hard. I never lost traction in the rain and it never felt squirrelly in twisty mountain passes at high speed. The PIP truly impressed. I am in awe at how comfortable it was. No back problems, no leg numbness, no fatigue. On driving days I drove 8-9 hours a day. I was conflicted when I bought the Advanced version because of the extra dough but now am relieved I did. The HD Nav unit was incredible, the HUD a must when trying to pulse and glide at 80mph around hairpin turns and the electric seat adjustment is critical. The clingy SoftTex that some bitch about was a Godsend as it kept me planted in the seat and secure while putting the car through its paces.

    At first I was a bit disappointed in the 51mpg as I usually get 65mpg in pure HV (no EVmode) in Los Angeles. But then again I stay under 65mph, pulse and glide a lot and max out the car's MPG potential on mild hilly terrain. Considering my many hours at speeds above 75-80mph (a lot uphill) on the trip, I suppose 51 mpg overall isn't bad for 3,750 HV miles. I couldn't have done that in a Volt, that's for sure.

    Not trying to knock other EVs or PHEVs but honestly in my three week journey through California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Washington, B.C. and Oregon I saw exactly One Chevy Volt on the freeways (in B.C.) and One Tesla (in Montana). I saw NO Leafs whatsoever. But I saw many hundreds of Prii. All years and models. It is by far the Hybrid Touring car of choice for most folks doing long distances in those states.

    The whole Tesla Supercharger thing works in theory as long as you take the routes they plan for you. As for me, I couldn't have even done ONE of my driving days in a Tesla without stopping for hours to recharge. No Supercharger station was on my particular route and the whole idea or re-routing for a supercharger just seems silly on a road trip such as this.

    At an average of $4.oo per gallon, gas ran me roughly $294 for the 3,750 mile trip. I saved a couple bucks spending one night sleeping in the car just to see if I could do it ( at 6'2" with headrests out and seats fully reclined I actually fit). I won't make a habit of it but it was fun for the night and watching a DVD on the HD Nav display with JBL sound before sleeping was a kick.

    I carried a full size spare, tools and emergency gear wedged behind the rear seat just in case I ran into a glitch in the boonies as I was without cell signal probably 40% of the time. Didn't need any of it, the PIP never hiccuped once. I kept the A/C usage to a minimum, used the seat warmers but never the heat and I drove in 'Normal" mode (no Eco) 98% of the time - I like the finesse/control Normal gives over Eco.

    A PIP isn't for everyone but for me it's absolutely turned out to be the perfect car... except when I have to look at it ;-)
     
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    nice, sounds like a fab road trip!(y) i even enjoy looking at mine.:p okay, probably not as much as some of the scenery you must have seen.:cool:
     
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    Are you sure you came through Seattle? If not asleep, I'd think you should have seen a couple Volts and Teslas, and numerous Leafs and Civic Hybrids. Just about every alternative fuel vehicle is overrepresented here, except CNG and alfalfa burners.
     
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    Sounds like fun....but what part of LA has smooth roads? When was the last time you were on the 405 by LAX?
     
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    Enjoy, man. I did 1,000+ miles trip to Canada too and got 60 MPG with 3 or 4 charges along the way at various hotels we stayed. My first year average was 132 MPGe on electric miles and 56 MPG on gas.

    I used EV miles to go to nearby Zoo, eat outs, etc. Gas was used on the highway in HV mode.

    We've got the best of both worlds. Use them. Switch fuel when one has advantage over another. The end result is rewarding.
     
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    Now that you mention it, I guess I technically bypassed Seattle as I went straight from Ellensburg to Vancouver which I think took me east of Seattle. And my remark about other hybrids was primarily relating to open road stretches where people were making obvious long trips and not commutes. In downtown metro areas I wasn't focusing so much on other hybrids, just on trying to stay alive and avoid the a""hole drivers texting on their cellphones. But on the vast open road I can assure you nary a Volt, Leaf or Tesla was present. For better or worse, the Prius dominates and of course the vast majority of them are not PIPs.
     
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    I expected about 55-60 too so I was surprised how much of a hit I took on course asphalt roads. I wonder if my overinflation, which does wonders for me on smooth asphalt, actually made me take a hit on the course asphalt mountain roads??
     
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    I am in the Santa Clarita to Ventura area. I avoid the 405 like the plague and take PCH when I need to go into town. The 101 has excellent pavement as does the 126 and the 1.
     
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    That sounds like a challenge....Yes, it probably would be difficult to beat that in a Volt on HV alone but with charging opportunities a Volt could use less gas overall on a major road trip.

    For instance, I drove from the San Jose area to attend the PriusChat conference in Riverside, California. That included driving through the "Grapevine" mountain pass between the Central Valley and Los Angeles.

    TGB4: 52 mpg HV, 95 mpg total | PriusChat

    My numbers looked like this:

    15.467 gallons gas
    740.1 miles HV
    47.85 mpg HV

    1039.5 total miles
    309.0 EV miles
    730.5 miles HV
    67.21 total mpg
    58.2 MPGe gas & electric combined
    0.360 - 0.400 lbs CO2 per mile total

    The first HV miles number of 740.1 and the second one of 730.5 miles differ due to an accounting glitch which I never bothered to figure out but it makes little difference to the overall result. I plugged in a lot on the way down but not much on the drive back. I would have done better but I ran into 150 miles of headwinds as I approached the SF Bay Area. I got 51.6 mpg HV on the trip down.

    I would happily take up your challenge except that I'm too busy to leave town this summer. :(



    I did a trip to Canada in September, 2011 about 9 months after I got my Volt. I think I saw one other Volt on the highway on the way up when I was still in California but there were only a few thousand Volts and LEAFs at that point.

    I was apparently the first U.S. visitor to plugin at Vancouver's only public ChargePoint station back then (at the City Hall parking lot), according to a note on my windshield from one of the mayor's staff.

    As for road tripping in a Model S, you are right that it takes careful planning and may include an occassional visit to an RV park for recharging today. However, Tesla has been aggressively rolling out new supercharging stations and this will presumably less of a problem in another 2-3 years as their map coverage fills in. It may still be a problem on holidays when more cars than usual are waiting to charge.

    I plan to get a 3rd generation Tesla when they come out in 3-4 years so I'll be depending on them to get that worked out.
     
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    If you came down I-90 to I-405, then for all practical and cultural purposes you did not miss Seattle. But if you entered I-5 from Hiway 2, either by backroads from North Bend or by crossing Blewett and Stevens Passes, then you could be excused as having missed Seattle.
    That is true. Even with the excellent showing of other hybrids and plugins in and near Seattle, the Prius still dominates here.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Gotta ask what alfalfa burners are.
     
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    CharlesH CA HOV Decal #5 on former PiP

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    That is what I intended -- horses, donkeys, oxen, and other beasts of burden.
     
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    Tesla need to build a lot more supercharging station. at least one in every City or one in every 100 miles for Model S 200-250 mile range. may be they will have 400 mile ranges for the next gen Model S. I heard the battery upgrade for the Tesla Roadster will make it 400 mile range and use the new panasonic battery
     
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    I thought I would pick up on this thread rather than start a new one. Here is our real world MPG for a 1200 mile trip from Pittsburgh to Sleeping Bear Dunes National Park in Michigan and back in our 2013 PIP:
    Roof rack with full-size aerodynamic roof carrier (that was full), rear hitch bike rack with 2 bikes, full size spare in hatch back, passengers included two kids and three adults, charged up the battery 2 1/2 times, and got 40 mpg. Michigan has a 70 mph speed limit, which resulted in less fuel economy. Also, Michigan's roads have a lot to be desired. The vehicle had power to spare the whole trip.
     
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