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Won't Boot - Replaced 12v battery did not fix

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Dan Strnad, Jun 2, 2015.

  1. Dan Strnad

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    I have been testing relays. I tested the two under the dash on the drivers side near the power source control. I tested two on the inside fuse panel. I tested all in the center engine compartment relay box. I haven't tested the relays in the engine fuse box yet. Not sure which is high voltage as my traction battery is still connected. I haven't found a bad relay yet. Is it okay to just start pulling relays out of the engine fuse box and testing them?
     
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    My latest attempts and results.
    With the 12v battery disconnected the new battery measured 12.8 volts.
    After I connected it it measured 12.75 volts at the battery and 12.72 volts at the terminal under the hood.
    I hear a beep-beep-beep with the door open.
    When I get in and shut the doors the beeping stops.
    The only light is a flashing car/key security light. The smart key is turned off.
    After I put the key in the ignition all lights are out.
    When I press the brake pedal I hear the system pump up.
    When I press the power button( with brake press) all I get is a flash of the check engine light and the power button blinks amber a few times. I tried this several times.
    If I push the power button without the brake pedal, the check engine light does not come on but the power button keeps blinking amber.
    That's all the car does. The windows won't go up and no multi display or combination meter.
    The headlights work and the overhead light works.

    With the mini-vci and techstream I got the following results:
    Power Source B2271 Ignition Hold Monitor
    B2274 Acc Monitor
    Smart Key system - no codes
    Body - no codes
    Immobilizer - B2775 Interior Verification
    LAN B1248 AVC Lan communication impossible
    All other systems said unavailable

    I believe that a bad 12volt battery may have started all this but not sure. After the car quit the 12 volt proved to be bad and I bought a new one.

    I have checked all of the fuses and relays I could find.
    I have replaced the Power source control.

    Does anyone have any ideas.
    Thanks, Dan
     
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    Do you have another key fob to try?
     
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    1. Did this car ever run correctly during your ownership? If the car never became READY and could be driven, this is another example of how it is a bad choice to purchase a Prius without a clue regarding what is wrong with it.
    2. Have you checked the AM1 and AM2 fuses, the IG1 and the ACC relays?
    3. How many fobs do you have and do you know for a fact that they are correctly registered to the vehicle - or do you have no idea?
    4. If you want to seriously pursue this DIY troubleshooting and repair, it is time for you to subscribe to techinfo.toyota.com because you are going to need detailed access to the repair manual and electrical wiring diagram to have a chance of resolving your car's problems.
     
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    When I purchased the car, it ran but the multi-display did not work. I replaced the multi-display with an eBay one and this fixed the issues with the display. The only problem it was having was the catalytic converter system error codes. I had not fixed that yet. I got one key with the purchase and I bought another key from Black Hills Toyota in Rapid City. They supplied and programmed the new key. Both key fobs were working when the car quit. My daughter drove the car for about three months with no problems. I have the repair manuals for 2006. I'm not sure how many changes there were from 2005 to 2006. This prius is a 2005. I took the dash out and checked the two relays next to the steering column. I checked two relays on the jumper block above the inside fuses. I believe that IG1 was one of these. I checked all the relays in the center engine area. I haven't checked the relays in the engine fuse box around the high voltage area. I have checked fuses in both engine area and under dash area. I will go back and recheck AM1 and AM2 tomorrow. I tested the fuses by removing them and using a meter. I removed the relays and used a 12v battery and meter to check them. I have been sorting through the wiring diagrams. It is a lot to take in. I knew when I bought the car that it was a gamble with 244k. I'm hoping my daughter can put another 100k on it driving back and forth to college. Now she's got the family mini-van. Used parts are cheap on eBay from wrecked priuses but the programming is what I'm finding difficult. Thank you for your reply. Dan
     
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    I purchased the car with one key fob. I bought another one from Toyota and they programmed it. So I had two working fobs when the 12v battery went out. Do you think a bad 12v could goof up the key programming? This is just a guess. Thanks, Dan.
     
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    I don't understand why with a good 12v battery the Windows won't roll up or down. Unless you don't have the right key fob. That's why you should try the other key
     
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    Both key fobs worked before this happened. I'm pretty sure I tried both of them. When I insert the key in the slot the security light stops flashing. Nothing will power on. I'll retry tomorrow with each key and with sks on and off. The key I bought from Toyota is only a few months old.
     
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    You might have somehow disconnected the keyslot connections when you took the dash apart to replace the MFD.

    Try using the SKS function without the keyslot. There is no reason the windows won't work unless the key cannot be detected
     
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    OK, let's focus on the power windows for a while to see if we can get them to work. If we can't even get the windows to work, the situation probably is hopeless.

    Check the following fuses by removing them one at a time to measure continuity: 15A DOME, 7.5A ACC, 7.5A ECU-IG, 30A PWR, 10A GAUGE, 20A FR DOOR. If you are not able to identify any of those fuses, speak up.

    Check the PWR relay by applying 12V to the relay coil terminals, and measuring continuity across the switched terminals.

    Also check the 100A DC/DC fuse which is located in the 5" long white/clear plastic box located in the main relay/fuse box next to the inverter. If you see any burnt fuses in that box, that is a bad sign.

    After you have verified that every one of the fuses listed above are good and the PWR relay is good, and if the windows still do not work, it is time to measure the voltages present at the Power Source Control ECU. Find the wiring diagram showing that ECU.

    Determine whether you can measure 12V at AM1 and AM2, which are the inputs. You are measuring voltage with the black lead connected to body ground, unpainted metal, and the red lead connected to the point being measured. If you are not able to get 12V there, check the 15A AM2 fuse and the 60A P/I fuse.

    Then determine whether you can measure 12V at the outputs, which are the ACCD, IG1D and IG2D terminals, as you cycle the POWER button. If you don't get 12V at the output terminals then that is why the various electronic systems are not running. Should you get down to this point, then the next question would be why the Power Source Control ECU is not switching 12V power to its outputs.
     
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    Thanks for the replys. It's raining today and I have a tarp over the car. Cause the windows won't roll up. I'm indoors studying the electrical schematics and highlighting the areas Patrick said to check. I'll get back with the results. Thanks, Dan.
     
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    I have located most everything in Patrick's post. Will check when the weather gets better. I am having trouble finding the relays PWR and IG2. Also, I know the difference between amps and volts, but when they say high current relay do they mean the high voltage system from the traction battery?
     
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    Who is "they"?
     
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    Sorry, when I referred to "they", I meant whoever wrote the toyota electrical schematics. On the schematic that I have, which is for 2006 prius, in the electrical schematic section, page 30 section F Relay locations Drivers side J/B, they refer to the 30 Amp PWR fuse as (High Current). So since I have not disconnected my traction battery, I am wondering if High Current actually means High Voltage. And if it is high voltage, should I disconnect the traction battery before further troubleshooting? I read somewhere that things can be damaged if you connect the 12v battery without the traction battery being connected. Thanks, Dan.
     
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    Note on taking the car to the Toyota dealership. I know that everyone who has followed this post is probably saying to themselves, just take the car to the dealership. I will do that eventually. But the dealership is in another town and the car won't go into neutral so it's going to take a tow truck and a lot of hassle. My daughter is driving our Mini-van so no one is without a car. Also the car is high mileage and not worth much. I like Prius's and enjoy piddling with it, even though I'm not an expert mechanic. So I just want to explore as many options as I can before I give up and tow the car to Toyota with my head hung in shame. Dan
     
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    You don't have to worry about disconnecting the traction battery. The PWR fuse is not related to it.

    I think it is great you are trying to figure this out yourself. As no one is inconvenienced by the car being out of service, you can take your time with this.

    If you succeed, that is great. If you don't succeed, then at least you will have engaged in a learning experience and there is absolutely no shame associated with your trying to resolve the problems.
     
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    maybe its the switch on the brake pedal..do the brake lights work?
    if the switch is bad the car will not know the brakes are applied and will not shift..
    (if this has been mentioned, sorry..i didn't feel like reading everything)
     
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    No shit?
     
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    Dan you are really doing great, in my humble opinion. So so sooo many people would have given up by this point - keep going and keep us posted.
     
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    I'm still not sure where the PWR relay is. I took the drivers side j/b completely out and re-checked every fuse and relay visible on a work bench. It was almost easier that laying on my back trying to look up at the fuses. I took the plastic cover off the back and took out the body ecu. That's as far as I got as I wasn't sure how to disassemble part anymore. Does anyone know where the pwr relay is? Thanks, Dan.