What range would make you plug in less or not at all?

But the crude displaced by the gallon you did not buy is not lost, it stays in the ground for later use.

 

Which is fine. By not buying, my non-demand doesn't increase the global price.

Which is my point that I botched in the previous post.

Even if you buy only American crude, simply buying it increases the global demand, which lets Middle Eastern and/or other oil nations you disagree with get more money for their crude.

 

By that logic, BEV owners help OPEC get more money from their crude. Nonsense.

 

Yeah, but have you seen the evil in the eyes of So Cal Edison?

 

Wow, that sure takes a long time. At least California has some specific deadlines to dissuade utilities from dragging their feet to grid-tie solar installations.

 

agreed. i think another 5-10 miles will make a lot of people purchase one. still not sure what the deal is outside of cali's hov stickers though.

 

I didn't get any consensus from reading the replies. The only conclusion I got was 1 person stopped charging for a duration. Everyone else continued and would like to charge more.

 

I have not and I do feel for you. As I occasionally travel to SoCal I see the difference in cost of gas compared to Pahrump. I understand most utilities in California cost more than most places. I am fortunate as solar was installed 1 year ago and I have not had a power bill since. As a matter of fact I have a $400 credit thus far. I am sure they will find a way to get back at me. Also just saw a report regarding traffic citations in SoCal what a ripoff. Lol.

 

what are socal rates? we're unto .24/kwh, with no nighttime discount.

 

usb, let me rephrase one of the questions posted above to you - once you are finally up & running on your pv solar, won't you charge, regardless of low cost gasoline?
At least for us, with a few 100kwh's of surplus each year, we always take the plugin (versus the hybrid) when we are out & about. And here's a great collateral reason for taking the plugin; on hot summer days, the ice parked in the garage will heat the garage up significantly. Not so, with the plugin. Thus, we use less air conditioning, as our garage is attached - which means the heat from the ice (if we drive in it) tends to make the house hotter.
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Bisco

Rates seem very high. We are blessed at 11 cents a kWh . Me personally, I would rather pay for the power. No discount for non peak seems wrong also.

 

1.5 mile one way commute, so would keep charging until about 1.5 miles range left. Awesome having the PiP to avoid so many short cold starts.

 

agreed. and cool when you just want to move the car around.

 

yes, it's getting quite ridiculous around here. there's a move afoot though, hopefully, consumers will have the last laugh.

 

The replies were mostly from current owners who chose it because it fits their short commute. Next gen with longer range should bring more potential owners.

The extra kWh will be between heating the home (with heat pumps) to displace natural gas usage or EV miles to displace PiP gasoline.

There will be many things to consider before I stop charging. One of the big reason I did before, was due to inconvenience, especially with an infant.

 

We have several options, none of them particularly better than others.
Basic residential rates in four "tiers," based on what they call "baseline usage." The baseline is some mythical allowance supposedly accounting for basic needs in an energy-efficient home. For example, summer baseline is around 200kWh/mo in my coastal zone. That tier is a reasonable $.17/kWh. Once you exceed 130% of that baseline, rates progressively increase (based upon the % above the baseline, so that mythical baseline continues to be the gift that keeps on giving to SCE profits) to as much as $.32/kWh.
The time of use options, while attractively cheap from midnight to 8am, are complete ripoffs ("peak" rates as much as $.52/kWh!!!!!), especially because the "peak" rates have been gerrymandered to ensure solar users will still be charged net usage during those periods from 4pm-8pm when insolation is waning. And those peak times (2pm-8pm) don't appreciably change over the seasons, so it is even more egregious as days get shorter.

So, a predictable, single rate of $.24 doesn't sound so bad. Relatively speaking.

 

How so? A BEV doesn't need gas, and very little electricity is produced from petroleum, which is likely zero amount where most BEVs charge. So the BEV doesn't have to buy petroleum fuel. This lowers demand, and the price oil companies and countries get for their crude.

 

I have a Solar City (the Tesla people) system on my roof. I ALWAYS leave my PIP plugged in. It costs me nothing. Well, not exactly, my electric bill last month was $1.95. Edison charges me for sending me a bill that says that I generated more power than I used!!!!!

 

But doesn't Solar City charge you for electricity? I didn't think they had a "purchase and anything you generate is yours" model.