Goodbye Prius, hello Leaf

The time was somewhere between 30-40 mins of charge. Driving highway uses almost 2x what secondary roads do. LBW goes off at 10 miles showing on the Guess-O-Meter. Based on what other LEAF owners have said, you really have closer to 15-20 miles because the bottom bars drop more slowly than the higher ones. I had more than 10 miles left when I got home because I didn't reach LBW again.

 

I just saw this. Of course it's congrats, but... I've always viewed you as one of the anchor members. I'll be sorry to see less of you.

Meanwhile, do keep us posted on how the Leaf's treating you.

 

Alot must be due to conditions the car is used and the charging done.

I know of a Leaf (approx 3 yrs old) that has 125,000 kms (78,000 miles) done and he just lost the first bar - he's happy with that bearing in mind there's 12 bars! If it keeps going that way he'll do 1.5million kms before it dies ( although we all know the others will all die at a faster rate as thy deplete ...)

 

Future Nissan LEAF Envisioned With 338 Miles Of Range – Video

 

i can foresee the day when bev's go farther than gassers.

 

Right, but I don't want to hear about "losing Bars", considering the average age of current U.S fleet is between 11-12 years old.

 

He'll still log in regularly to slag off how crap the Prius is and how the Leaf is a far better car, give out about the smelly diesel cars, smog in London, price of petrol etc etc lol

 

Thank goodness...

 

Do stay involved at/in Prius Chat.

I've enjoyed your commentary and opinions.

You're one of the few "regulars" that will occasionally agree with me.- I need all the help I can get.

So you are now a Leaf owner? I think that only expands your horizon of experience.

I hope to see you continue to contribute.

 

Looks like the Prius is the stepping stone to becoming more adventurous.

 

Don't run off, everyone likes you.

 

I still remember it was 01 811 8055.

I can't remember my new Chinese mobile number, but I can remember the phone number of a kids' programme nearly 40 years ago. Why is that?

 

Only until there is noticeable number of EVs around...after that a new taxation will be introduced. We already see a $200/year EV road tax in some states... I'm sure British government will be able to come up with something

- Alex

 

2011 and 2012 models have a 3.3KW charger, not >6KW charger that all but the base has. Also most commercial installations of L2 are on 208VAC because it is split from commercial and industrial 3-phase power. So the 30A L2 station was only charging at 208VAC and 15-16A minus the charger overhead. 30minutes of charging would add maybe 1.6KW which is only 5 miles.

If it was at a L3, the car would have charged up all the way to 80-90%. I am sure they could have made it without charging at all since after LBW, comes VLBW (Very Low Battery Warning), then comes turtle. Usually with "---" flashing on the display meaning you have hit VLBW you have 5-6 miles before turtle kicks in. Then you can go another 5+ miles at reduced speeds. [/QUOTE]

First bar is 15% of the pack capacity, (100% to 85%) and the second bar is 6.25% (85% to 78.75%). So extrapolate based off of that.

 

Why is the amperage halved ?

 

Because the 2011 Leaf charger can only accept 3.3KW of power at any given time. Power = Volts * Amps. If the Max Power = 3300, Volts = 208V, then Amps = 3300 / 208 = 15.87A. Remeber that the amp rating is not what is being drawn, but the most being drawn.

Like in your house, your outlets are rated for 15A most likely. But at 120VAC that's 1.8KW. When you plug your cell phone charger in it doesn't consume 1.8KW. But you could plug in 1.8KW of cell phone chargers (about 160 new ones or 700 old ones).

If the station was wired to 240VAC, the Leaf would still consume 3.3KW, but at 13.75A. It would charge at the same rate.The difference comes mostly for quick chargers and cars that will actually reach the amperage limit of the station (like a Tesla). For example a the Tesla S with dual chargers is capable of 20KW charging (non-DC Supercharger) and the single charger at 10KW. If you pull up to a 40A L2 station wired to a 240VAC supply, you could pull 9.6KW (40*240). if you pull up to a 40A L2 station wired to 208VAC, you can only pull 8.3KW (40*208).

It is something that people need to start paying attention to if they want "fast charging long range EVs". Reason being most businesses are installing 30A L2 chargers on 208VAC which for the Leaf, doesn't matter. But if everyone wants a Tesla, it will start adding up.

 

Ahh.... got it. Thanks