Teachers & Sex in the Classroom

i heard about these stories between college professors and students... not k-12 education!

 

Minimum 5 years in prison. I think the NEA and the union rules have to be abolished. Teachers like the one in Louisiana that showed the students a disgusting slide show about Bush should be fired on the spot, tenure should be abolished, and vouchers should be implemented.

 

When I was going to college a class in sex education was offered. As you might imagine, it was a popular class. What shocked me, though, was the day when the teachers showed us a porno flick. Now, this was in the '80s, so it was a different time. The teachers (a man and woman professor, married but not to one another) told us not to tell anybody else or their department heads would most likely fire them.

Point being: This has been around for a long time.

 

Apparently the abstainence-only programs are not working.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Apr 13 2006, 01:53 AM) [snapback]238996[/snapback]</div>

I'd say the 'sex' problem in schools is a lot less than the pedophile problem among priests.

The National Educator's Association does not condone this behavior. By constitutional rights the NEA cannot be "abolished" by law. Union rules do not protect such teachers. K-12 teachers do not have tenure. Tenure is a UNIVERSITY concept. K-12 education does not have tenure.

My contract has "just cause". That means the district must have a reason for firing aside from saving money so they can hire a teacher with less education and experience. Having sex with a student is CAUSE. Teachers have been fired for a lot less than that, LEGALLY, under the contract currently in place. There is a process to fire a teacher. The problem is the administration is too LAZY or INCOMPETANT to follow it.

Vouchers wouldn't do anything about this problem. In fact, vouchers would probably excalate the "problem" in that private schools do NOT need to screen their teachers and can hire pedophiles and ex-convicts. Also voucher schools have NOT shown any higher test scores and in many cases have not been able to maintain the same level of achievement as public schools. Voucher schools have not delivered on their promises.

Sure there is plenty that can be improved in education. But you don't accomplish it by cutting funding, abolishing constitutional rights or having those that know NOTHING about education make all of the decisions. (I'm talking about politicians here. Just because you WENT to school doesn't make you an expert. And I wonder how many of our "leaders" went to a PUBLIC school.) I have plenty of ideas on how to improve schools. Trouble is...it costs money. And the taxpayer isn't willing to put their money where their mouth is. There is no such thing as a free lunch and you can't expect a Neiman Marcus education system on a Walmart budget. The NEA and CTA are trying to improve education by getting politicians to sponsor legislation that will lead to change and increase student achievement. But what do they know...they're just teachers. Most teachers have masters degrees, yet no one thinks we might know what we're doing. No one goes into education to get rich, yet everyone thinks teachers are in it for the money.

Here's one more rant. Vouchers are designed to subsidize those that are already going to private schools. It has nothing to do with providing a decent education for the poor. If private/religious schools use public money, I.E. vouchers, then those private and religious schools should have to abide by every single rule public schools are hindered by from hiring of highly qualified teachers to due process for expulsion. But they don't. They don't have 'due process' to expell a student. Once they have the money, they can kick the kid out for any little thing AND KEEP THE MONEY. And where does the kid go back to? A public school that has even less money because it's be siphoned off by vouchers. A public school that's fallling apart, has outdated textbooks and overcrowded classrooms. And explain to me how on the one hand you're going to keep highly qualified teachers to work under those conditions while at the same time pay them less and cut their health and retirement benefits? And lastly....the hidden purpose of vouchers is to destroy the public school system so that it can be "outsourced". There are only two pots of tax money that private industry hasn't been able to touch....Social Security and Schools. Hence....Social Security reform and vouchers.

Vouchers is the one experiment that the U.S. can't afford. Because once you dismantle public education...you'll never get it back.

 

Teachers having sex with students are a living example of the classic "power relationship" you normally think of with the boss requiring sexual favors of the secretary. Teachers having sex with students who are under the age of consent are rapists, even if the student is ready, willing and able.

Typically, except for high profile cases, women having sex with underage boys is looked on more favorably than men having sex with underage girls. The law in most states treats the crimes as the same, but our sentiments are usually that the girl is victimized and the boy is lucky.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Apr 13 2006, 03:29 PM) [snapback]239432[/snapback]</div>

And I'd say your characterization of the problem in schools as being a “sex†problem - yet among priest as being a “pedophile†problem - may be showing a serious bias in your thinking. IN BOTH CASES IT IS PEDOPHILIA!!! :angry: But more than that, I'd say you have been brainwashed if you truly believe there is less pedophilia happening in schools than there is in priest/church settings.

Granted, child molestation by priests make for better media headlines . . . especially when a good portion of that media would like nothing more than to tear down the Catholic church and that for which it stands. Ask yourself, “Is there the same bias in the media against teachers and that for which they stand�?? NO!

Exactly what sources are you relying on?

Just tonight on the local news:
Kenneth Anderson, a Vacaville, CA 4th grade teacher was arrested on 15 counts of lewd acts with a minor. So far there are five or six girls who were allegedly victimized by this perv . . . and some of the acts were performed DURING CLASS!!!
Will this make national news? I doubt it.
If it were “Father†Kenneth Anderson, would it make national news? Much more likely it would.
[as of this writing the story is not on the station's web site http://www.kcra.com/news/index.html but I will edit this when/if I see it]

Molestation by teachers is the “car crash†of news. It doesn't make national headlines unless it can be sensationalized.
Molestation by priests is the “commercial airplane crash†of news. They almost always make national news, even though more people are killed on a daily basis by auto accidents.

The Statistics of Teacher sexual abuse to Students
• The best estimate is that 15% of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.
• The number of K-12 public and private school students in 1996 who have been or will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff is nearly 7 million of 51,331,000.
• Between 1% and 5% of teachers sexually abuse or harass students.
• At least a quarter of all school districts in the United States have dealt with a case of staff sexual abuse in the past ten years.
• Most cases of sexual abuse of students by teachers are never reported.
http://www.cpiu.us/

The Department of Education is saying that up to 10 percent of American kids are abused sexually by their teachers.
SCARBOROUGH: But there‘s an interesting comparison that the mainstream media seems to have missed. Now, look at this. In the priest sex abuse scandal, it uncovered 11,000 kids who had been abused over a 50 years, which is about 220 per year. But according to the latest studies, 290,000 children had been abused by school officials between 1991 and 2000. That‘s 32,000 per year for only nine years, 150 times the amount of kids being abused by schools than were abused by Catholic priests.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5334121

I grew up with two friends who were harassed by a male teacher back in the 70's in junior high – well, wasn't that just the norm back then? :huh:
They were both cute and bustin' out all over the place, but I didn't see the harassment for what it was.
A college freshman English classmate was doing our professor . . . she even bragged about it.
She was 18, and as long as she kept the prof happy and I was learnin' . . . I really didn't care.

 

Last year it was priests. This year it's teachers. Maybe next year we'll attack the medical profession and all of the doctors that are drug addicts or alcoholics. Paint them all with the same brush.

Gee....you'd think teachers were running for President or something.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Apr 15 2006, 12:14 AM) [snapback]240094[/snapback]</div>

The story still does not show on the TV station's web site. I figured it was a “weekend-and-web-reporters-are-off†thing . . . not being able to find the story online - but a Friday story, Gay Prom In Tracy Called A Success, is still a headline??? :huh:
I never saw the Teacher Sex Scandal report on TV again. I didn't see it in the local newspaper, or it's online site. I didn't even hear it on the local news radio stations. And I barely found it with Google.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...BAGNSGUCON1.DTL

I guess this type of thing is so common of a story [“local car crashâ€] that it barely gets reported locally either.

If the teacher were a Catholic priest, you can bet it would have received much more extensive news coverage.

Is there a conspiracy going on not to besmirch teachers? Is it a liberal media protecting liberal teachers and their powerful unions thing? <_<

 

If you're a guy over the age of 13, and the "offender" is a female teacher, it should not be a crime.
If you're a girl at any age under 18 and the offender is either male or female, it's a crime.

h34r:


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Apr 15 2006, 04:04 AM) [snapback]240097[/snapback]</div>

There was this huge hub-bub about Dr.'s here in MA over the last few years... Most noteworthy being a dentist who enjoyed injecting his female patients with semen via a syringe while "under" for dental work. Oddly, the one that figured it out was a 14 year old girl, which, of course, begged the question of how this particular 14 year old girl knew what semen tasted like in the first place... h34r:

Now, if we jump into the non-weirdo realm, the most noteworthy was of a Dr. who stepped out in the middle of some surgery to go cash his pay check, and went back to finish off like an hour later or something. Then again, I suppose this does fall into the weirdo realm, as it turned out the Dr. was an angry homosexual/transvestite who had had a series of rocky relationships with other men and was in total financial disarray....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 18 2006, 12:38 AM) [snapback]241364[/snapback]</div>

I don't understand your double standard for males and females.

Peace --

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(marjflowers @ Apr 18 2006, 10:54 AM) [snapback]241475[/snapback]</div>

I'm sort of poking fun here... Lots of guys I know, myself included, would have jumped at the chance of being seduced by a hot blonde teacher at 15.... :lol:

 

I do believe that the BARE minimum should be revocation of teaching certificate and at least 10 years as a registered sex offender in a national database. On occasion, especially at the high school level, a school district will fire the teacher, but they'll still have an active certificate. This would make it possible for a teacher to get fired in North Dakota and then come down to a small district in Texas and get another teaching job.

One fear I do have is for the frivolus accusations that can be made of a teacher by either a spiteful student or parent which still tarnishes a teacher even when it's proven to be totally false.

 

i work with a lot of young women who have younger brothers and sisters in JUNIOR high school and up and every single one of them to a person says that teenage girls simply dress way too inappropriately and this is coming from women that imo (not that i mind, mind you!!) are barely, if all, dressed appropriately for work.

i dont know if the conversations at work have been inspired by what all is going on in the news, but its really been pretty active lately.

as far as what to do, i firmly believe that you dont get a second chance here. that should be a national law. we need to give the message that not even once is ok under any circumstances.

 

This woman I met at work told me she also was seduced by her teacher Greg Lee when she was 16yrs old and eventually they had sex. The sex went on for 3 yrs while in school. She suffers from depression and has lots of problems because of this. I asked her to report him but she says she cant risk her job or her relationship w her fiance over a scandal. The school this happened at was Springall. I hope this teacher dose not work here anymore.

 

Wow, 4+ years before thread resurrection. This may be a new record.

Tom