1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Hybrids are done. Nobody cares anymore

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by naterprius, Apr 13, 2006.

  1. finally_got_one

    finally_got_one New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2006
    151
    0
    0
    Location:
    Orange County, California
    Since I work in close relationship to (but not for...I am a private contractor) the SCAQMD here in Southern California (the state smog folks), I have a somewhat different outlook.

    Expecting technology that cleans up automobile emissions and to get better mileage to be cheaper is misleading. Buying a cleaner burning car, such as a Prius, is going to be more expensive. Get used to it.

    The 'hybrids' that I have problems with are those that increase mileage only fractionally, say 2 mpg.We have a target to hit here, folks, and that is 45 mpg average. Taking into consideration the requirements for PM5 and PM10 (soot), diesels are effectively eliminated. All that is left is the Prius, the HCH and the Insight. The Accord Hybrid doesnt make the grade.

    (PM stands for Particulate Matter, 5 and 10 refer to particulate size in microns)
     
  2. tomdeimos

    tomdeimos New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2004
    995
    2
    0
    Location:
    Lexington, MA
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 12:54 PM) [snapback]239170[/snapback]</div>
    Then if that is true why would any of these big vehicle ever be sold with less than V10 engines?

    I actually like both, room and mpg. I even looked at a Ford Escape! I decided if I went for something with less mpg I would need more size to justifiy it! It just didn't feel that much roomier than a Prius.

    And the rest of the big hybrids don't even pretend to get good mpg.
     
  3. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    4,281
    59
    0
    Location:
    &quot;Somewhere in Flyover Country&quot;
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(finman @ Apr 13 2006, 02:24 PM) [snapback]239317[/snapback]</div>
    If hybrids are going to sell there needs to be a 25% mpg improvement for say $1000 dollars. If not they will remain largely a niche vehicle with some spikes in sales when gas prices are around $3.00/gallon.


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tomdeimos @ Apr 13 2006, 02:30 PM) [snapback]239325[/snapback]</div>
    3-400 horsepower is plenty for most people. Only if their is a need to tow heavy weight is a V10, 8100 or a diesel purchased.


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 13 2006, 02:29 PM) [snapback]239322[/snapback]</div>
    The only thing the current silverado hybrid is good for is a generator in emergency situations. The vehicle is a joke as far as saving fuel.
     
  4. Salsawonder

    Salsawonder New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2005
    1,897
    47
    0
    Location:
    La Mesa California
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 12:41 PM) [snapback]239330[/snapback]</div>
    * I get 200% better gas mileage with my Prius than I did with my Sport Trac!
    * So people should limit their horsepower except if they have to tow something....what did you say before about trucks. Not everyone who has a truck or USV "needs" one. SOunds like you are talking out both sides.
    * See, the Silvarado is one of the best reasons to look at GM and wonder what the heck are they thinking. I don't want to have anything to do with a company that is willing to put out crap like that.

    And yes, we had a Malibu. Worst piece of crap ever, in the shop more than on the road.
     
  5. Mirza

    Mirza New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2004
    898
    0
    0
    By most definitions you'll find on PC, the Silverado is NOT a real hybrid.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]239330[/snapback]</div>
     
  6. hobbit

    hobbit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    4,089
    468
    0
    Location:
    Bahstahn
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    What *is* the "first consideration of escalade buyers" ?!
    .
    _H*
     
  7. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    4,281
    59
    0
    Location:
    &quot;Somewhere in Flyover Country&quot;
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hobbit @ Apr 13 2006, 03:27 PM) [snapback]239367[/snapback]</div>
    Luxury and/or prestige.
     
  8. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2005
    2
    3
    0
  9. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 03:43 PM) [snapback]239377[/snapback]</div>
    Wait wait you're killing me. That's a good one!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Ow! My side.

    Give me time to recover and I'll try to think about how much money has been spent on behalf of one's appearance to someone else.
     
  10. dipper

    dipper Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2005
    1,242
    252
    0
    Uh... I think I hear Malorn saying that any Hybrid, but Prius, are a flop.... No?

    Anyone know where I can pick one up a RX400h for Invoice in CA? :D

    Hmmm..... I take the HH if they go below invoice.... :lol:
     
  11. Jonnycat26

    Jonnycat26 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    1,748
    1
    0
    Location:
    New Brunswick, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dipper @ Apr 13 2006, 05:28 PM) [snapback]239406[/snapback]</div>
    Talk to Diane... she was selling them below MSRP, maybe close to or below invoice (the HH).
     
  12. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    4,281
    59
    0
    Location:
    &quot;Somewhere in Flyover Country&quot;
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Apr 13 2006, 04:20 PM) [snapback]239399[/snapback]</div>
    I'm not justifying it, but that is the truth. same with Lexus or Infiniti or any other luxury brand. do you disagree?
     
  13. gilahiker

    gilahiker New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2006
    186
    2
    0
    Location:
    New Mexico
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    Heck no...that is the ticket!
     
  14. dipper

    dipper Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2005
    1,242
    252
    0
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Apr 13 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]239408[/snapback]</div>
    Diane posted that info in Jan. Have not seen any updates since. I heard HH are selling a lot better on the Edmounds board... so don't know without talking to her first.

    But I was hoping more for a Rav4 hybrid on Camry's 4-cylinder.
     
  15. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    That wasn't really aimed at you, M.

    The whole concept of buying/doing something on behalf of someone else has always amused me.
     
  16. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    4,281
    59
    0
    Location:
    &quot;Somewhere in Flyover Country&quot;
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Toyota was brilliant when they created Lexus. LUXURY=LEXUS. Replace the u with an e, the r with an s and drop the y. And all these years you thought it was just coincidence. ;)
     
  17. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    OH geez. You're right. And it's so simple.
    All this time I thought it was an anogram for SLUXE

    :D
     
  18. jag31

    jag31 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2006
    3
    0
    0
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]239192[/snapback]</div>
    Feb o6 I purchased a new 05 Prius, pkg 6, leather, wood grain, extra mileage opt. List $29,150.
    Purchase price $25,500, with the additional tax credits(state/federal) the net cost will be around
    $23,000. I was driving a F150 15/16 mpg vs 52.6 for my prius. Plus its a fun car to drive.
     
  19. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    4,281
    59
    0
    Location:
    &quot;Somewhere in Flyover Country&quot;
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(naterprius @ Apr 13 2006, 02:14 PM) [snapback]239304[/snapback]</div>
    NAte I think their is a fair amount of interest in hybrids in much of the general car buying public. So far that interest is not being translated into sales. Most months Ford sells more Mustangs than the total number of hybrids that are sold. Would you consider the mustand a vehicle for the masses(high volume) or a niche vehicle?


    very recent link:

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...NEWS11/60413009
    http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoinsid...a-subsides.html
     
  20. Betelgeuse

    Betelgeuse Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2005
    1,460
    24
    1
    Location:
    New York, NY, USA
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Apr 13 2006, 10:30 PM) [snapback]239521[/snapback]</div>
    This is a fair point, but what is the supply of Mustangs like compared to Prii? If I wanted to go buy a Prius tomorrow at the nearest dealership, I don't think I could do it. If I wanted to do the same for a 'Stang, I'll bet I could. I'm not necessarily saying that the Mustang wouldn't sell better than a Prius even if they were on equal footing, but you should compare apples to apples.