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I hit a brown fox on highway, now Prius is sad...

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by stonerider, Mar 26, 2015.

  1. stonerider

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    I was driving home from work, it's a 3 lane highway (395, Central/Northern California), I was on the middle lane, cars in front and back of me, it was rush hour, a brown fox runs from the right hand side right in front of me, I stopped on the brakes, slows from 60 MPH to around 45 MPH, but I couldn't avoid hit him and ran over him. I looked at the rear view mirror, and he somehow got up, and gallops back to where he had run out from. That's the last I saw the brown fox.

    I got home, about another 15 minute drive, mostly on the highway. Took some pictures of the front damage the fox caused. I hope he's okay. Don't want to kill any living thing. It was unavoidable, there were cars speeding next to me and behind me, as well as in front of me.

    What is that electrical connector hanging in front of the radiator/condenser?

    Prius drives fine, no error codes (I have Torque app), coolant temp stays around 180 F, no strange noises, aside from cosmetic damage, what else do you see?

    I am thinking about reporting it to my insurance (AAA) company, but I have a high deductible ($1000). Should I or not? What are some of the insurance implications in this case?

    Anything else you can suggest or advise?

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    I'd at least start a claim, see what they assess, and verify what deductible is involved, sometimes there's more than one level of deductible, depending on cause of damage. The radiator (that's likely the AC one) is pushed in some, for starters.
     
  3. ETC(SS)

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    I wouldn't report it.
    You're probably looking at about $2500 in damage to fix the car as before....or you might be able to negotiate a lesser price for a "good enough" repair to the radiator support, grille, etc.

    Even if you spend the entire 2500, you might be better off not reporting the accident because as you've just proven, bad things can happen to good drivers, and a previously wrecked 2007 is always going to be worth thousands less than a non-wrecked one.
    I'm not in any way suggesting that you try to deceive a future buyer, but a self-repair following a road-kill looks better to a prospective buyer than ***ACCIDENT!!!**** on a car's resume.

    Your call.

    I'd get a quote for a privately funded repair at a decent shop (leaning more towards mechanical than cosmetics) and write a check.

    AAA is a really good insurance company.
    I use them myself.
    I carry Comp and Collision on my 06 and 09 with the same $1,000 deductible.
    This insurance is meant to mitigate a hull-loss accident---not to fix a fender-bender.
    I use this strategery to keep my liability insurance low, since I HAVE to have that, and it represents most of your insurance bill.
    I want this to be as cheap as possible while covering me enough to keep sniveling, bed-wetting attorneys at bay.

    The fox probably didn't make it, which was really better in the end than wounding it.
    Some carrion-eater got an easy meal.
    Next time, try to hit the horn instead of the brake and don't jink at the last moment to miss the animal - especially if it's a squirrel.
    They don't think you're trying to miss them. They think you're trying to eat them, and they always either zig or zag in the last moment....meaning that if you do likewise there's a decent chance that you'll both jink in the same direction.

    Act like you're trying to hit them and they'll usually get away.

    Good Luck!
     
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    The fox came out running so fast from the side of the highway, I had no time to hit the horn, was too busy applying the brakes and praying the car behind me was doing the same. Strangely, I didn't see any blood or animal part on my Prius. I have seen cars hit deer and they get all plastered with deer blood and parts. I believe the fox probably didn't survive long after running away. Internal organ and head injuries don't sound survivable to me, and it was a medium size fox, probably an inexperienced young animal. I am now a fox killer, sniffles. :(

    At this point, I am leaning towards not reporting it. I'd like to keep the car for a long time, I have always run my cars to the ground. My previous car was a 1998 Volvo stationwagon and I just junked it last year and replaced it with the Prius. It is driveable and I don't feel any difference in driving before and after the hit. I'm going to have to self-repair it, just so it looks good for me.

    What is that electrical connector hanging down? Where's it connect to?

    How do you remove the front bumper?

    I think I can take the radiator off, but any suggestions are welcome.
     
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    did it come off the fan? can you see what it might plug into? thetas a lot of damage from little brown foxy! i hit a coon the size of a buffalo a few months ago and just barely cracked the lower lip.
     
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    Which fan? The engine cooling fan (if there's such a thing)?
     
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    yes, there are two behind the radiator.
     
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    I'm not sure why you wouldn't at least approach your insurer, get it looked over.
     
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    I opened the hood and took a look. The electrical connector was originally clip attached to the vertical bar holding the hood latch mechanism, looks like a temperature sensor for the condenser. I moved it out of the way, so it won't bang around anymore.

    Now, when I tried to close down the hood, it won't stay locked, I mean it will catch the lock but it won't go lower to the completely locked position. I regret opening the engine hood for a look-see. I think the impact pushed the condenser and the vertical bar a bit inside.

    Maybe I should call the insurance co.
     
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    Call a competent mechanic first.
    Preferably a trusted independent one.

    It would be a shame to file a claim and sully your vehicle's pedigree over $1000.01 worth of repairs when you have a mere $1000.00 worth of damage.

    Good Luck!
     
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    That hanging piece is the MFD external temperature sensor, and clips to the vertical support. If it's broken it's only $20.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    your core support is bent and it wouldn't surprise me if the a/c condenser is damaged enough to leak. call the insurance company or at least take it somewhere and get an estimate for all the damage right away. insurance company shouldn't jack you up too bad; no ticket, no other cars involved. btw, you sure it wasn't a coyote? awful bad damage for a fox. and if it was a coyote, good riddance.
     
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    Get an estimate before filing a claim. Even if you don't complete the claim it's still on your record and your premium goes up when you renew. It's happened to me.
     
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    Good Luck and Tally Ho!
     
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    I talked to a vet about this when I saw something similar happen with a large dog. He told me that their systems are basically operating on shock and adrenaline and they can run for a short bit before the severity of their injuries ultimately takes over.
     
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    Any hunter knows (or should know) that animals can run an amazing distance after being mortally wounded.
    As far as coyotes are concerned I share 69shovlhed's opinion.
     
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    MFD is still reporting the correct temperature, so the sensor is fine except its plastic clip to the bar is broken.

    It could've been a coyote, do they come in brown color?

    How safe is it to drive around with the hood partially unlocked? The closest mechanic I trust is about 45 miles away.
     
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    OK. I see that now relooking at your picture.
    This can be fixed with a tie-wrap. The attached thermistor is pretty resilliant. You just don't want it flopping around. You're going to want to make sure that your radiator cooling fans are still operative. Technically I think that you're in SoCal which means it's going to get warm soon.

    Partially.
    I'd fix that first.

    Yes.
    [​IMG]Coyote - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Don't be quick to discount the fox theory though. My daughter's Saturn Ion ingested a red fox (confirmed through a postmortem) and it did $1100 worth of damage.
    Since she was still on our insurance, and we carry high deductibles ($1000) we had to do a self repair.
    I sold the car 4 years later with a perfect Carfax record and all maintenance documented. I did carefully explain to the buyer what had happened, and you couldn't tell that anything had happened at all.
    I had to pay for that repair but I kept low insurance rates (with a teenage driver) and I asked for and got more money than a previously wrecked 4-year-old car might have received.

    It worked out for me.....but in your case it might be worth an inspection by a mechanic.
    If you have the insurance company do the repair, then IMHO you should demand and receive a full cosmetic and mechanical repair to OEM specs.
    It's gonna be hard with that 7-year-old paint, but a good body shop can do it.

    If you're lucky......your insurer won't ding you for one incident.
    If you start to get unlucky....and center-punch more wildlife, or get vandalized, or get into a wreck then this trivial wreck might cost you more in higher rates than you'll benefit from the difference between your deductible and the repair.

    Your call, but I use insurance to protect me from an unsustainable loss.
    Many people in America are over-insured for comp and collision, and under-insured for liability.

    That seems backwards to me....but YOU have to manage YOUR finances.
    FWIW, keeping cars for 10 years and having a high deductible is evidence that you're doing a great job!!

    Oh....I use USAA, not AAA as I might have indicated earlier. Both are good.

    Best of luck!
     
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    Maybe it's different in the states then. In BC we have (more-or-less) one insurer, they're a "crown corporation" (a quasi government arm), and as far as I know you can file a claim with impunity. Nothing would happen to your rates until you follow through, in an at-fault accident. And hitting an animal that ran out, I don't think that would raise your rates, it's an act-of-god (act-of-dog?) event.
     
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    Here in California, once you file an auto insurance claim, you can't unfile it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.