I've sold my '04 Prius (got a good price) and have put a deposit down on an '06 Pkg #8. In the meantime, I am researching alternatives with the objectives of: Above average MPG Low emissions Above average cargo space Ability to haul Mtn. Bike and Kayak Technical amenities (iPod connection, bluetooth, Nav) Model reliability (of course) I'm still coming up with the Prius after weighing the options but wondered if anyone had experiences with SUV hybrids or TDI cars. Pricing higher than the Prius is OK if reliability and features warrant it. TH in NC
Hmmm. Well, if you would like to pay *more* for awful reliability, you could consider a TDI. People in the know say the driving experience is nice in the TDI, whatever that means. Low emissions is *not* part of the profile. I don't understand switching to an '06 from an '04 Prius. Care to explain ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Apr 9 2006, 08:22 PM) [snapback]237298[/snapback]</div> I had put 38K miles on the '04 and originially had settled for a package I did not want at the time I purchased it. I paid the loan off early and later began working for a company that will pay for ALL car expenses (including loan payments). I figured it was time for a nice upgrade.
The Camry will be coming out soon, have you looked at the features it'll have? Should meet most of your needs in a larger size.
SUV hybrids? Your choices are two (three if you count the Mercury). Have you checked out a Ford Escape or Lexus forum? Is their MPG---mid-20's to mid-30's---high enough above average? For all the conditions you listed, Prius is still the one.
My partner owns the Lexus hybrid. I've had the chance a number of times to jump out of my Prius and drive the Lexus. Its very comfortable on a long road trip but too big and heavy for my around the town use. His average mileage with all kinds of driving over about 8,000 miles is 24.5. That's impressive for a vehicle not that heavy but nothing compared to the Prius. I'm always glad to get back into my Prius after the Lexus. All that being said, we'll probably buy her the Lexus because she really likes the size and hauls clients around. I also traded my 2004 Prius in on a 2006 after 33,500 miles. With the value the 2004 held and the tax incentives for the 2006 it was a no brainer. I much prefer my 2006 with package 8 and leather seats. No huge changes but the higher resolution MFD, the seats, backup camera and slightly better suspension or stiffening makes it worth while. It was also just about worth the trade just for the faster connection time between my Treo 650 and the car when I dial the number on the Treo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ghostofjk @ Apr 9 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]237377[/snapback]</div> Four if you count the Mercury. Highlander Hybrid, Lexus Rx400h and the Ford Escape are the other three. My sister loves her Rx400h.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David @ Apr 9 2006, 11:01 PM) [snapback]237379[/snapback]</div> Thanks for the info everyone. I could keep driving my son's Saturn while he is in NYC for now while waiting for a Camry. The Camry appears to be a nicer car, style-wise, and it would probably provide a smoother ride on the highway than the Prius does. I would miss that voluminous hatchback cargo area, however. Also, waiting for a car sight-unseen makes me a bit nervous, although the std. Camry has been out quite a while and Toyota has the great rep for reliability. Does anyone know if the styling is changing in '07 for the Camry? I've checked out the SUVs and can get what I want regarding accessories, but for several $K more than the Prius. Along with that comes Ford's multiple recall and TSB issues. You do get 20% more interior volume with the Escape and a better roof for lugging items, however. David, your situation sounds like mine. I like the improved MFD and options in the Pkg 8. I've heard from other sources also that the '06 ride is better. You do get used to the wind-rocking on the highway after a while, but I still get occasional looks from passerby drivers when the Prius moves around the lane with high winds and trucks passing. The aftermarket steering plate may help also. Having the new BT connection for my Blackberry will be a nice addition. Thanks for helping my decision-making process.
yes. The new 2007 Camry has been out for a month already and it's a complete redesign. I've seen an SE model already and our launch is later than that of the states.
Evan- The camry is only larger on the outside. I've recently done the comparison and this is what I found. Prius Camry hybrid height 58.1 57.5 length 175 189.2 wheelbase 106.3 109.3 width 67.9 71.7 head room 39.1/37.1 38.8/37.8 w/moonroof 37.9/37.4 leg room 41.9/38.6 41.6/38.3 shoulder room 55.3/53.0 57.8/56.7 hip room 51.0/51.6 54.6/53.9 passenger volume 96.2 101.4 luggage capacity 16.1 10.6 total volume 112.3 112 Overall the camry is not larger inside than the Prius. The camry is much larger on the outside(14") but volume is the same the camry is about 3" wider at the hips and shoulders but offers slightly less head room and legroom to the front seat passengers. Due to it's smaller exterior size the Prius is slightly more maneuverable. If people compare the two head to head, the Prius will not lose market share to the camry due to size. The camry is not designed to use space as well as the Prius. Even though the camry is 14" longer, it's wheelbase is only 3" longer. The camry is 800 lbs heavier and has 192 horsepower compared to the 110 horsepower Prius. It accelerates to 60 mph 1.5 seconds faster. I put in the spaces to make this read like a spreadsheet but it didn't post that way. Anyone know what I should have done, short of attaching a file?
If you have no complaints about the Prius, you might as well get the 2006. As for the Camry... [*]Above average MPG The Camry does have this, but not nearly to the extent of the Prius. As far as I can make out from reviews, if you get 50 mpg in a Prius, you'd get 37-40 mpg in the Camry. [*]Low emissions Yes, obviously. [*]Above average cargo space Even the regular 2007 Camry has a pretty small trunk area, and the hybrid's is smaller still. The Prius is the winner here. [*]Ability to haul Mtn. Bike and Kayak Can't sort a bike inside the Camry but maybe on the roof? [*]Technical amenities (iPod connection, bluetooth, Nav) Camry has that. [*]Model reliability (of course) Camry has that (of course). The Camry beats the Prius in a number of ways, most of which you can see yourself from test-driving a 2007 Camry LE, off of which the hybrid is based. It'll also be faster and probably can remain in EV mode for a longer period (though maybe not at as high a speed). The Prius wins in terms of FE and cargo room, but those are its only advantages. Oh, and the Camry Hybrid has a 17.2-gallon tank that never shrinks, so if you get 40 mpg you'd go 600 miles before the low-fuel light comes on.
Not to confuse things, but I rented a VW Golf TDI 2.0 in Europe last year. I was getting around 48 mpg (converted from liters and KM to gallons and miles), and the Golf was fun to drive, quiet (my first diesel experience), and handled better then the Prius. The VW had a 6 speed shift-a-matic that I left mostly in drive. I don't think the 2.0 TDI is available in US. Also buying diesel fuel in US can be a hassle. Nice car though. Also, it wouldn't get any carpool stickers here.
Just note, the Camry Hybrid is the FIRST hybrid sedan to have fold rear seats (yeah I know the Classic had folding rear seats but not in NA)
Dare I say it you could buy a Hybrid Civic.. I hear they are cheaper than the prius and are more readily availible, you'll just have to suffer when it come to roominess..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tharwood @ Apr 9 2006, 07:27 PM) [snapback]237301[/snapback]</div> *choke* They'll pay for your car? *gasp* Who are they?
This is very subjective, but I drove a Camry (not hybrid) for a day once while my Prius was having a computer reprogramming or something - maybe it was the fuel filler pipe & computer. I thought the overall driving experience in the Camry was inferior to that of my Prius. That's of course very subjective, because there's stuff about the Prius (all the hybrid stuff) that I just think is so cool, like shutting off at stoplights and regen braking and there's never any gears shifting inside there. I don't think I could enjoy driving a conventional car again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Apr 12 2006, 10:18 AM) [snapback]238509[/snapback]</div> Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Overall, I still think the Prius offers the best balance of everything I am looking for. My deal should go through within the week.