Do EVs (and PiPs) represent a phantom drain?

Once charge is complete it will not turn on again to charge such a small amount.
I plug mine in every night, I just don't worry about anything I just drive it.
Enjoy your car!!!

 

the evse brick is using energy. unplug it when you are done, and everything else in your house.

 

Put a switch in the circuit feeding the EVSE and switch it off after charge completion.
Magically your problem will be solved. Amazing..........

 

I'm not sure why it would need to use energy, except to keep the indicator light on. I'm sure someone has some info to enlighten us.

 

Well, it has a power supply and microcontroller in it to run the EVSE functions... those take energy, however small, ya know!

 

Somebody measured the energy used by the various EVSEs but I don't remember where I read the study. Most used several watts and a few used 10-20. I recall that the Prius Plugin 120v EVSE was one of the better ones and drew only something like 2-6 watts.

Ignoring the EVSE, the car itself may slowly use some energy to periodically wake up and self-monitor. This is certainly true for cars with telematics devices which listen to the cellphone network at regular intervals. The Volt does this for a couple of days after it has last been driven.

Also, batteries slowly self-discharge just from sitting around doing nothing. Lithium-ion batteries are much better about this than NiMh.

 

I've had night-lights that used more.

 

yeah, nite lites are an energy buster. imagine the millions on every nite?

 

I know you are joking, but I love night lights. I only acquired them recently, slightly retarded fellow that I can be sometimes.

No more fights over turning on high power lamps for the cats, or a light forgotten. Wife happy with a house she can wonder about at night and not turn on a light ever few steps. All for 0.3 watts a lamp, and the genius things turn themselves off during the day! My only gripe is that the things are below the accurate measurement of my kill-a-watt meter LOL

We have a big house, so I think there are 10 night lights. That works out to ~ 1 kWh a month.

 

Having a friend who lives off the grid and who rations-out his solar-derived power very judiciously, I've become aware of how incredibly wasteful of electricity we are as a society. "Phantom-loads" that can consume tens of watts while a device is turned off seems like more than poor electrical engineering to me. One has to wonder who's bread is being buttered when households are consuming large amounts of power, when we are essentially doing nothing. But that's a discussion for another forum...
Rant over.

 

I would think a proximity sensor would be a minimum requirement. I can't imagine the device constantly building an induction field when there's no receiver there to receive the power from it.

 

Yep, but to hear the Repukes tell it, if externality costs are passed on to the consumer WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!

You should read up on Germany. They have the highest penetration of clean energy in the Western World (except for perhaps Denmark?), a very high kWh cost to residences, and yet the monthly costs are about the same as in the US. 'Tis not a miracle, it is just less waste.

Who Wudda Thunk ?!?

 

Perhaps If we educated our children in the sciences to the level they do in Germany, most of us would be throwing out our appliances that waste more power than they use.

 

^^^ Nah. It is simply a matter of price.
People in general do not value that which is inexpensive.

So while I agree that Merkin Repukes in general ridicule science, they are (still) able to count their monthly debt. Force a Repuke to pay a high energy bill, and they will learn to switch off an appliance when not in use. If a rat can be conditioned, so can a Repuke.

 

That hits low, but it might be on the mark. People who judge quality based on price alone deserve to be duped.

 

True, but that has what exactly to do with avoiding obvious waste -- like turning off an appliance when not in use ?

 

i think toy is putting wireless phone changing in their next gen.