Why I'm going to ditch Prius for Subaru

As far as arms straight forward that is how you are supposed to drive. It keeps the driver alert and when the airbags pop it pushes the arms away from the wheel instead of into your lap or the console. Hands at the 9&3 position with just a slight bend in the elbow. I am all for comfort while driving and usually have the seat reclined back slightly I just wish it would tilt thmy

my 07 got 25 during winter months. Idk what my 10 will get but it was meant to be driven so yes I'd drive one

 

wow, at 25, i would be driving something else. but as jumbo said, something else may be much worse. hard to believe a camry would yield less than 25, but under your conditions, who knows?

 

North Dakota usually is -30 to -60 below zero in winter. Most normal cars get 8-15 mpg in winter here

 

is north dakota really that much worse than minnesota? i know you have no trees, but mn isn't that cold. we got 30+ mpg with heat blazing.

 

30 - 60 below, i'm dreaming of florida at 25 above. you guys are tough!

 

It is somewhat similar Stephen but nd has no trees or nothing to block the hurricane force winds in the winter. Also it does get a little colder here than Minnesota, with the exception of northern Minnesota. But mnpls is usually 15 degrees warmer on average than the red river valley

Lol we all do

 

When I lived in Elko NV, it never got below -40 (F,C, it doesn't matter) where in Greenwood MS +18 is as cold as it gets.

 

I understand "Subaru" is Japanese for the Pleiades constellation of stars (they are galaxies, actually, but that's really picking nits!). The Subaru emblem is the arrangement of those stars in that constellation.
Of course, you could name a Chinese restaurant for the Japanese name of a constellation of galaxies, but that is a recipe for confusion as well as indigestion!

IIRC, the Daleks were all alike, although not all equal in their power structure as one Dalek had to give the "Exterminate! Exterminate!" order and the other Daleks had to give the "We obey!" response. Not sure what the world will be like if the Daleks finally defeat Doctor Who, but do not think it will be "boring", more like "suicidally dangerous". Of course, the NRA is already taking us that direction with Concealed Carry, Open Carry, and Hari Carry, but that's a topic for another thread.

 

Oddly enough, I traded my 4Runner for a RAV4 for my wife (holy retaining value! Only lost $4500 on my 4Runner after 4 years) and I swapped the v for an FR-S. It goes to the new owner next week. My wife and I are done having kids so 2 big vehicles was overkill. The Rav is a good family hauler and the FR-S is a blast every day of the week. I really liked both the v and the 4Runner, but 4 cars would have been on the ridiculous side.


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This. It's all simply down to technique. Here in Canada when all else are equal, it all comes down to the driver as more often than not our roads are unplowed in the morning. When my friends get their car snow stuck stranded or slip sliding on icy road, i can still jump in and get their car out. When people insist its their particular road situations, i go in their car and show them it's not. But then i loved skidding around and plowing snow in large empty parking lots after snow storms when i was younger. I used to deliver load newspaper unto stands around our city with non snow tires at early dawn at the height of a snow storm when plows haven't come out yet. i had a trusty folding shovel that got a lot of use but i always got home safe.

 

I've been actively considering trading in my Prius for a Subaru Forester or Crosstrek to feel more secure driving on snowy roads. I live in southeastern PA where in recent years we've gotten either little snow or totally clobbered with it. The slippage when I drive over a bump also scares the heck out of me every time and occurred microseconds before an expensive one-car accident I was in. I hate the tiny stadium-like seat. Other than that though...it's been a darn good car for my particular low-mileage girl-with-a-dog lifestyle.

After weighing the pro's & con's with Subaru, which i find to be the same as many people have said here, I'm probably going to try snow tires on the Prius. I think and hope I'll have some real upside gain on traction and control without doing the big spend of changing vehicles and doubling my cost for gas. I get 48-50 mpg on a regular basis.

I got my Prius during Cash for Clunkers and including that, I can't imagine a car that's cheaper to own & operate, nice cockpit fit & finish, reliable as all-get-out, love the pushbutton start and keyless, flies on the hilly straightaways.

Drove the Subarus, respected them a lot for their weather-loving reputation, high ground clearance and in SE PA, great social conscience of the company. I'm 5'2" with a back problem and found the Crosstrek seat to be fantastically more comfortable with more thigh support.

Our year Prius and the Forester are both IIHS top safety picks.

But am prob gonna go for the snow tires and see if that's enough to make me happy with Prius in winter.

 

Good plan.

I just read about the 'Honda HRV' that is coming to the US next year. Small SUV, higher ground clearance, AWD, Fit heritage, and hybrid transmission choice. My wife and I now live in snow(ier) country, and if we find our current cars sub-optimal for the climate I'll consider this Honda or the upcoming AWD Prius.

 

Took the prius up to the mountain and it handled great. Received ~7-10 inches throughout the stay with plenty more on the ground and didn't even need to shovel to get out of parking spot. Has studless snows.

 

"Subaru" is the "7 sisters" or "Pleiades" in Japanese. It is the logo if you look at it. I think your comment is inappropriate.

 

That is even the first bulleted item at wikipedia: Subaru (disambiguation)
The second item is also an astronomical item.

 

Subaru emblem is made up of 7 stars, the largest being Fuji Heavy Industries which acquired 6 other companies which make up Fuji Heavy Industries.

Having owned three Subaru's and with a total of six Subaru's in my family, and Toyota also owning stake in Subaru, they are a fantastic car! Maybe give one a try before stating a negative comment!

Happy New Year!

 

I agree, Subaru are excellent, excellent cars. I cannot think of a better choice for people who live in hilly, snowy climates.

 

My Forester saved my butt yesterday in Da' Bronx. There was a Jeep CJ and Honda Accord going side-by-side when they encountered some black ice. The CJ slips a little to the right and the Accord driver overcompensates and drives right into a highway pillar at low speed. I got through the black ice fine.

 

I haven't read the whole thread but, I came to Prius after 10 years of Audi A4 Quattro. Tough choice to go from Quattro to front wheel drive where I live, but I realized there will only be maybe a few days (max) that I can't get where I want to go in the winter. I bought Michelin Xice tires, and found out that this Prius is a tank in the snow. Obviously no comparison to Quattro- but it gets the job done safely.

 

A coworker of mine drives a Subaru Legacy and feels winter tires are a waste of money on it since it has AWD on it.

A few weeks back we got about 2-3 inches of snow, certainly enough to make the roads slippery. He tells me about how he was driving to work, and was driving a little too fast for the conditions, then nearly hits another car when he suddenly gets a red light and has to brake hard.

Meanwhile in my prius with four Michelin X-Ice XI3 tires on, driving in the same conditions, it never felt different for me. My car had no problems gripping the road nor stopping, and I liked that I could purposely drive slow to save gas without getting everyone behind me mad. In fact, everyone was doing maybe 20 mph while i was doing 30 easily on the street. I would've went slower, but I had to make it to work on time too

I'm not saying AWD isn't useful, just that a good set of snow tires trumps AWD by itself in snow/ice.

Here's to hoping the next gen Prius has an AWD option.