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Michael Schiavo Speaks...

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mystery Squid, Mar 27, 2006.

  1. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    What parts of his account do you disbelieve? And what do you base your disbelief on? The 2nd question is the real question.
     
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  3. ghostofjk

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    I read every word. No one on earth has any reason---ANY---to either support or deny a word Schiavo says.

    Idealists---and possibly a few Bush-haters--- will want to believe every word.

    Cynics---and a few "fundamentalist Christians" and maybe even Bush supporters---will want to deny every word.

    But no one but Michael will---or could---know.
     
    #3 ghostofjk, Mar 27, 2006
  4. Mystery Squid

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    Hey, fundamentally, I agree.

    I think it's fun to speculate though. Regardless, he did what he thought was right, I'll give him that, all power to him. I don't think there's anything wrong with being an arm-chair quarter back and exploring though...
     
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  5. Schmika

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    I do. This all gets back to the whole 'voyeuristic" thing we all have. NO ONE had any business butting into this. This was between FAMILY and the courts. I was appalled by all the people thinking ANYONE cared what their opinion was.

    It did do one thing. I told ALL my family that, should anything happen to me, my WIFE had sole power and to BUTT OUT!!!!!!!!!

    I tell my wife things I tell NO ONE else and why would the Schiavo's be any different. Sorry Mom and Dad, but your child MARRIED that guy.
     
    #5 Schmika, Mar 27, 2006
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    right on schmika!!!

    i mean, if there's anyone i WOULD NOT want making that decision for me, it's my mother. there's a reason people leave their parents and get married. it's because after a while the parental bond is no longer one of custody or guardianship but... well... if you don't get hosed like i did anyway... it becomes more of a distanced advice and guidance through adult life kind of relationship.

    spouse gets all legal rights, definitely.
     
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  7. ghostofjk

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    Quick, let's all agree with Schmika and make him feel all warm and fuzzy. :)

    Well put. And you didn't use your whole arsenal of exclamation points. :rolleyes:
     
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    :lol: :lol:
     
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  9. Mystery Squid

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    Whoa! I'm on the other side of the coin on this (and no, not on purpose either). Unless I direct otherwise, I leave it in the hands of my mom, the one who created me, gave me life. In MY case, I trust my mother to TRUMP my gf's wishes, should they counter mine (eg, she breaks down seeing me in such a state and takes it upon herself to do whatever). Of course, not everyone has this situation.

    If anything came out of the Schiavo issue, it's to put your wishes in writing.

    Although personally, I have a problem with even that, given my luck, some odd situation would arise which would cast ambiguity on even the most tighly written proxy. I'll take my chances, I've never subscribed to the philosophy of preparing for my doom.
     
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  10. Mystery Squid

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    Oh please... :rolleyes:

    The burden lies upon him to do what he see saw fit, and he did so, without regard to the public's opinion. So what, I should not comment on the situation because of some arbtrary "it's a private matter" philosophy? Sorry, but I do not subscribe to this particular sub-set of your values, can, and will, comment upon the situation. Man, you guys must have shitty relationships with your parents then...
     
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  11. Mystery Squid

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    Too many coincidences. He obviously misconstrued her parents with respect to keeping her alive at all costs when they used a rather crude example. He CHOSE to cast it in a negative light saying it was barbaric, and all that jazz when he knew damn well what the spirit behind it was. Another thing was that he based her decision on some comments simply shot out on a moments notice. I find it all a little too ironic it all came together around the time the $ issue came up. Then there's the whole bit of him saying, "prove it" with respect to the accusation he might have done something to her. Stupid people have this habit of believing that no proof equates directly to no crime, no wrongdoing, totally dismissing that FACT that "proof" does not have to exist in the first place (just like those who scream there was no "proof" Saddam was a threat) yeah, well there are plenty of unsolved murders out there too whereas there's no proof to convict anyone either)). Then there's the whole timing issue with his current wife... NOW, he's putting out a book on HIS side of the story... Gee, why does HE care to set-the-record straight, NOW? :rolleyes:

    ...and I'm looking at this from the standpoint that the core decision was neither right, nor wrong. I actually had a great debate on this on another forum, we even got .pdf's of the actual court documents...
     
    #11 Mystery Squid, Mar 28, 2006
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  13. Spunky

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    Okay...

    I think we all agree that having living wills and making your wishes known is a good idea.

    But there can be trouble with "living wills". What if the patient (be it a spouse, parent, child, or other family member) has a clearly expresed their wishes but some family member doesn't want to comply?

    The hospital staff has to (legally) deal with the active family members so their wishes will trump those of an unconscious patient's.

    That can lead to some pretty awful scenes when one family member decides to "do everything to save" mom while others want to honor mom's living will.

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    And living wills can put tremendous strain on relatives.

    My husband is a lapsed Catholic. He goes to mass twice a year (the 'ole Easter and Christmas routine) but thinks that organized religion is, on the whole, a bunch of blarney.

    I have a living will and have made it clear that I want the plug pulled. Heck, I'd even appreciate a little assistance if I can't lift the revolver up to my mouth, know what I mean? At least help me load the darn thing.

    Dan's uncomfortable with my attitude about death.

    He'll comply with my wishes as much as he's able but says he won't drive me to Oregon.

    I guess I'll have to get cussed ugly and mean towards the end, if I want him to help give me a boost into that last great Divorce Haven in the Sky.
     
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    I can't believe people are still hanging on to this nonsense...you all read the coroner's/medical examiner's report...let it go already...she's gone, she had NO quality of life, and besides...where is the support for the countless thousands of other vegitative state patients that endure this same situation day in and day out...
     
    #14 Hybrid_Dave, Mar 29, 2006
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