I read a lot of posts about people being abused for their choice of vehicle. I thought it might be useful to catalog some snappy comebacks, or enlightened remarks you have made that have made the detractors feel foolish... well, feel as foolish as they seem when they make stupid and uninformed remarks. They don't necessarily need to be one liners. Some of those Prius owners being abused might feel more armed to respond. Good idea? There was a similar thread in Gen II in 2005, but it was limited to a particular situation. Is this a good idea? For example, when someone makes general derogatory comments, my favorite response is to listen politely (with a "you must be stoopid" look on my face), and then tell them that it gets about 55 mpg in my commute (this has dropped a little since I added nicer tires and wheels, to about 50.5mpg today.) Then I list the size and amenities and cost of the car. Mid sized sedan, leather, nav, satellite radio, tons of cargo space, etc, less than $30K. When someone makes a comment that they are slow on the highway, I ask if they want to race (I never have, really.) Then I tell them I usually cruise at about 80mph in the 70mph stretches of 95 (so does everyone else) and I usually get about 48mpg on those trips. Their facial expressions are priceless.
Them: "You'll never make your money back on that, you know." Me: "What are you doing in your car that earns you cash?"
When some one asks me, "where did you learn to drive?" I smile and politely tell them, "in the street."
Hey Mmcdonal, Were you the one that made the post I'm looking for at http://priuschat.com/forums/freds-house-pancakes/109242-help-me-find-post-priuschat-thread.html? If so, can you point me to it?
"It's insurance against rising gas prices." "Can your car get 80 MPG in a traffic jam?" "My neighbors appreciate how quiet it is." "If everyone drove a Prius, there would be no foreign oil dependency." Scene: Allie Moore Prius (AMP) and Lightning McQueen have a race through a city. McQueen waits impatiently at the first traffic light, then races to the next one, and the next one... then runs out of gas... Meanwhile, AMP times that light, the next one, and the next one... all the way to the finish line...
Had a buddy this past week go off on all the standard Prii BS about my new ride. Let it roll off, said I "hear him". Then asked him if he had $20 that I could borrow. He said sure, as he handed it to me I thanked him for the "loan" - telling him that would pay for the r/t to the beach this coming week (a 300 mile r/t).
I ask them, "Do you want to race to the Gas Station? I Guarantee you'll Win!" Usually shuts them up, quickly.
The term of art for that is called the "green wave." Many light sequences are timed so that if you maintain a certain speed, you will hit only green lights, all things being equal. The green wave changes in DC depending on the time of day. If some suburban areas, though, I think the chamber of commerce times the lights so that you will have to sit and look around and find local businesses you might patronize. I have noticed that in some areas. My best green wave performance? Georgia Avenue from Adams Morgan, DC all the way out to Aspen Hill Road, MD in afternoon rush hour in a 1968 Buick Skylark. It was about 1978 I think. If anyone knows that corridor, they will bow down to my green wave awesomeness.
Cars are depreciating goods that we purchase to provide service. I would also bet that the Prius depreciates at a much slower pace than the family sedan or SUV/PU in question. I never see depreciation figured in to the earn your money back equation. Has anyone taken a stab at that? I bet the results would be awesome. I traded in a 2007 HyCam in 2009 with about 65K miles on it, and I got back $3K more than I owed on the note (low interest, 60 month).
My boss said that to me, and I replied that I was already ahead of his Cadillac. Yes, I still have a job.
Why try to argue with stupid? If somebody is smart, AND if I value their opinion then I might entertain their thoughts about MY car. Otherwise? Their opinions are valueless. Stupid comments are......stupid. Don't give into the temptation to flop and twitch every time somebody makes a disparaging remark about the type of car that you drive. There are people out there paying most of $100 for a 300-mile tank of gas, or paying $50,000+ for a really flashy car that will be worth $5,000 in 10 years. I don't care WHAT they think about what I chose to drive. Prius drivers have a rep for being a very VERY thin-skinned bunch. I try not to perpetuate that stereotype. .....$30 gas station visits help!
I agree with this. But I also feel that just because I drive a Prius I shouldn't look down at someone who drives an SUV and be arrogant or superior about it. Cars are awfully personal things, and while many people see them as purely a means to get somewhere, many others find their cars to be a very personal extension of who they are and what they represent. Yeah, it would be nice if more were concerned about the environment, or saving gas, but that's in a perfect world, and last time I checked it didn't appear to me that we live in one.
People are always going to have opinions and share them with you. It's called making conversation. Personally, I've gotten mostly positive comments about the Prius. The same can't be said for the rusted out orange Chevette I owned after college. I tend to gravitate towards cars that generate comments. A boring sedan that everybody understands is, well, boring.
I've seen the numbers that show that once you account for EVERYTHING that goes into making a Prius, ultimately it has a more negative environmental impact as compared to a traditional automobile. So, it appears that the "greenness" of the Prius is just an illusion the buyer can feel good about. Still, that doesn't mean there isn't an up side to owning a nice techie car that saves you 50% on the gas you buy. Especially if you would have spent about as much on what your other options were at the time.
I've seen some of that too, but what I've seen were comparisons to specific vehicles, mostly those made entirely in the US where shipping parts to be assembled, especially the stuff to make the batteries, aren't an issue. The ones I've seen too only seem to take into account building costs, not fuel and other savings, like maintenance, etc. My usual takeaway from such "studies" is that one can come up with stats to support any position. No one will ever convince me that the Prius is worse on the planet than an H3 over the life of the vehicles, something one study said. And most naysayers use battery disposal as the primary example.
The Prius versus Humvee nonsense was debunked long ago. From the PDF report by the Pacific Institute linked on that page: "The CNW report offered the startling conclusion that large SUVs like the Hummer were more energy efficient over their entire lifecycles than small cars and even hybrids, such as the Toyota Prius. Although the data, assumptions, and methods used to produce that conclusion were largely unavailable for analysis and peer-review, the Institute assessed the approach and limited data used in the analysis as well as evaluated other comprehensive automobile lifecycle energy assessments. Our analysis identified key assumptions in the CNW report that were unsubstantiated, grossly inaccurate, and misleading. When those assumptions were corrected, the CNW report conclusions were completely reversed, supporting conventional wisdom: smaller cars, and especially the Prius, are far more energy efficient over their lifetimes than larger ones. "If consumers want to reduce the overall energy and greenhouse gas emission costs associated with transportation, buy a car that has a high mileage rating, that uses flexible fuels, or that uses no fossil fuels at all. Other options? Explore public transportation or get out of your car altogether."
I have a simpler approach to debunking that study. Energy and materials costs $$$, so the cost of a car can be used as a rough proxy for the amount of energy and resources that went into designing and manufacturing it. If making a Prius truly took as much energy as CNW claimed, then the car would cost a lot more or Toyota would have gone out of business by selling cars at a huge loss.