Got a Tesla - in Toyota clothing

It uses the same motor as the Tesla - only software makes it less powerful.
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sit low, and drive slow.

 

Yeah, nobody likes me, everybody hates me....

I Poo Poo the cheapskates on the Volt forum also.
Some are trying to save a nickel on their way to work by becoming slow traffic obstacles.

I just hate any hypermiler that is making a bad name for a fuel efficient car by driving really slow in busy traffic.
The two times I saw a Tesla on the highway they were driving slower than surrounding traffic! Maybe they were experiencing 'Range Anxiety'.

They hate me in both Kansas Cities! Have a good night! Don't forget to tip your waitress,,,, you cheapskates....

 

Where can I sign up to hang out with this guy? Just seems like such a good dude.

 

hopefully in the left lane.

 

I don't understand the part about B-mode. There seems to be some disagreement about exactly what B-mode does in the PiP. At least when you are in EV mode, I think it just make regeneration more aggressive when your foot is off the throttle. Which makes it pretty much equivalent to lightly pressing the brake pedal.

 

Yep, me too, three, four ....

I think the B disagreement stems from B use at higher speed in HV mode where I've read here in the forum it can cause issues with the ICE and have a negative impact on regen.
For me, using B while in EV mode has exactly the same "driving in traffic" effect as downshifting a manual transmission car.
I can't comment yet on what effect B has on regen, but I've always assumed using B ( at least the way I use B ) offers regen equivalent to light braking, but I'll have to read-up on that as well as the meaning of some of the other dash gauges data.

I use B all the time and recently I've noticed when feathering, coasting, timing lights and trying my best to stay out of the way of other drivers that want to get by me, is that sometimes when I use B to slow down while timing a light or to slow gently to a stop ( when possible ), if I also need to use the - brake foot pedal - to come to a complete stop while in B,

when I've switched from B back to D just before coming to a complete stop while feathering the brake, I can feel the mode change. It's a very minimal change with braking force slightly lessened -- and only noticeable if paying really close attention to the timing of the glide to the stop and the amount of pressure supplied to the brake foot pedal needed to complete the full stop..

 

B Mode, as I understand it, is there to save your friction brakes, not to increase regen. As with shifting down a gear in a conventional car (and as you say), it primarily spins the engine (albeit without fuel) to waste some of the energy from the downward gradient if it can't all be collected through regen, and therefore slows the car, saving the friction brakes from coming on and potentially overheating on a long hill.

Regen doesn't work under about 7mph, so in both cases the car will then switch to friction brakes. But before that, using the brake pedal gently will NOT engage the friction brakes unless it has to, it just "reverses the polarity of the neutron flow" and uses the motion to generate electricity rather than using electricity to generate motion.

I may have misunderstood you, but if your idea is that by only using the accelerator pedal to control the car you are getting maximum regen, and that by pressing the brake pedal you immediately engage the friction brakes and therefore waste energy, that isn't correct.

 

True in the normal Prius, and in HV mode in the PiP. However, in EV mode on the PiP, it does increase regen without spinning up the engine. But there's even another exception to that rule... if your battery is full (or "close to it"), it will instead spin up the engine, since there's not enough room in the battery for that much regenerated energy!

 

Really? Is that the comment I couldn't quite follow about increasing the amps to about 30-40? But even then, I thought the point was that it would be better to slow over a longer period to get maximum regen? Plus, if it is upping the amps, I'm not sure I'd do that as a regular pattern when Toyota see it as exceptional - though I'm not generally paranoid about battery degradation, there wouldn't be much comeback if it was because of that.

 

So is it fair to say that if you are in EV mode with sufficient capacity in the battery, that B mode is equivalent to lightly pressing the brakes; that is, it just increases the regeneration, with no engine compression or friction brakes? In the 12 years that I have had a Prius, I don't think that I have ever used B mode. When I go down long hills, I just lightly apply the brake, and I see the regeneration indicator on the HSI display. In the PiP, it has to be one serious hill to fill up the battery so regeneration can no longer be done.

 

i tip 20% - 10% if it's bad service. I've averaged 5miles/kWh for years, doing the truckers' speed limit - 55mph. Tuck in behind 'em & the leadfoot crybabys can't whine - because it's the truck in front of me. So which is worse - the person going slow in the left lanes? .... or the douchebag who speeds up behind the guy in the right lane doing 55mph - rides his arse at 4am, even tho there's 3 empty left lanes. The moral of the story is "just drive" ... don't worry about it - either way.
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hill, you sound like a decent slow guy! I like your reasoning. I wish I had the time to spare to go that slow.... I'd save,,, pennies !
Only how are you measuring kwh's in an '04?

ps edit:
Also, in this part of the country there are no 'truckers doing 55 mph'. The interstates are 65.
A few monitored truckers do 65. Almost everyone else does not. A PiP doing <62 would really be a nuisance.

 

The 04 isn't our plugin.
We used to have a range rover. The difference between it, & our EV is $18,000. That's $6,000/yr - no gas - for over 3yrs commuting. ... or, as you like to refer to it, 1.8 million pennies.
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I see, you have a PiP!
So since you're limited to <62 mph already, going 55 mph and hanging in the right lane saves you a lot of gas for those miles you can do that.
But the electrons cost money too. That's why MPG displays in PHEV's don't make sense. They don't show the cost of the miles.
For me, going 55 vs 75-80 mph with my pals in the left lane saves me lots of time. I could save pennies doing what you do, but electrons are cheap.

 

I apologize for the rest of the midwest. We aren't all like him.

 

wrongly presuming again, eh? our AC 7.1kW PV system has paid for itself, a year ago.



We charge the plugin for free. You can't do that with gas - unless you got a well in your back yard & a refinery in your garage.

oh it's not a Midwest thing ... they're everywhere

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hill,
That's incredible. You sir, are traveling for free , when in EV!!
I wish I could do that!
What a wonderful world it could be if more people had your setup !!

 

Neutron flow?