Help understanding EMF readings...

While those last suggestions are good you are still missing out on some important details.

What was the meter you are using REALLY designed to measure.........EMF fields that could disrupt delicate electronic devices........ghosts (that is not a joke)........or fields that could be dangerous to human beings ???
That is a critically important question.

Unless the meter really was designed to detect fields strong enough to be harmful to living beings, the fact that it reads "high" is meaningless.......and misleading......and wasting your time and theirs.

I bet the EPA or OSHA has information about what levels of EMF are really dangerous.

AND one more time........some of the symptoms you relayed to us can be caused by carbon monoxide poisoning too.
Has THAT been tested yet ??

The inverter is high on the list of devices that create EMF.
If it has HID headlights, those ballasts are high on the list too.

 

Would it not be worthwhile looking at other environmental issues that are not related to the car? As far as I recall, Houston has a very big petrochemicals industry - does she live near any source of pollution?

And have you looked at environmental radioactivity readings? I remember reading about people in Cornwall with similar symptoms to your friend, and it turned out to be the result of naturally-occurring radioactive gases in the rocks that came up through the soil.

 

The radioactive gas is Radon.
There are test kits available.

 

So how much does she want for her Camry hybrid?

• Has she listed it on EBay?
• What options on it?
• What year?
• How many miles?

BTW, I read the technical specs on the Trifield 100XE meter and was impressed:

• no orientation data
  • real magnetic fields have an orientation but this meter does not measure it
• up to 2,000 Hz
  • no frequency-sensitivity chart to read out the actual metric
• optimized for 60 Hz, no spectrum information
  • adding a speaker would be perfect so you could hear the EMI
• $140 for a low-grade, signal strength meter

If your 'friend' owns a Camry hybrid and now wants to sell it, post the details. Some of us are immune to EMI and always interested in a good deal.

Bob Wilson

ps. I have AEMII (Acquired EMI Immunity) thanks to my Mom who took us to the public library when I first learned to read. When I could not get enough books on my kid card, Mom would check some out some for me. I caught AEMII from what was in the books:

 

I'm having a little bit of trouble figuring out the underlying intent of that last post, Bob.
If I was on the receiving end of those comments, I think I might be offended.......or not; hard to understand.
At the very least, it is REALLY insensitive to the plight of the friend and the concern expressed here.

 

When I took 'sensitivity' training many, many years ago, I learned it was really 'desensitivity' training because it taught us the limits for male-female employee relationships. But it really comes down to signal-to-noise ratio.

If your friend is afraid of the Camry hybrid, sell it and sell it soon. Put it on the market and let some of the laid-off, KSC scientist, engineers, and technicians get a chance at a good deal. Being afraid of a car is no fun so get it back on the market. The value will NOT increase with time.

As for EMI, this was one of my home-made toys in high school:



A family friend had a lath and we turned the secondary much like this one.

So our experience with a 500 kHz, 20,000+V, Tesla coil:

• drawing sparks to finger tips - leaves little burn marks and feels like pulling out sand-burrs
• chemicals on terminal - ionization shows the various colors that a Gilbert chemistry kit can show
• ozone cough - eventually most of my family had it until we figured out the cause . . . so I closed the door and opened windows
• halloween - we put the coil in a card board box and had the kids wave the 'magic wand' florescent tube over the pumpkin while my brothers plugged in the Tesla coil

This is what I did and still consider great fun, playing with ionizing, high frequency, high voltages. So it is really, really hard to justify EMI health risk claims when for me, it was a childhood toy.

Bob Wilson

 

THAT is an absolutely valid and probably important suggestion.
I said much the same earlier.

ALL THE REST of those posts, however, is, in my opinion, not necessary as it smacks of " your concerns are totally invalid. Get over it."

While you are absolutely free to have that opinion, expressing it in such a blunt fashion is........rude and insensitive. Do you really not see that ??

 

The whole subject is a balance between respecting the OPs fears, and the absolute lack of reproducible results in patient's symptoms. Since you can't fix what isn't broken, selling the car to someone else is just about their only choice. Since the OP has begun to believe the EMF hype, it can't be her they sell it to.

We can be (and have been) as sensitive as possible, but facts are facts.

 

question for o/p since i didn't notice, has your friend been to the doctor?

 

Gee I do not know.
I read Bob's post several times and it was fairly clear to me, but that probably means that I suffer from AEMII as well.

If your friend's symptoms are that severe, she needs to seek definitive medical attention immediately and skip the "imaginometer" readings....or just go to a Toyota dealership and get some drooling salesperson to boot up a couple of HyCams to get some additional readings if for no other reason than to assure your friend that the imaginometer readings are repeatable.

But...really?
Toenails falling off?
Thinning Hair?
Extreme fatigue?

This needs to be investigated a little more aggressively than EMI readings.....accurate or otherwise.
There may be something else going on with this particular HyCam as previously suggested, or the friend may be living or working at or near a future Super-Fund site.
The FIRST thing I would do is drive, push, pull, or drag the HyCam to a reputable dealer and get a written declaration that the emissions components are working as advertised. If you want to play with the "finger-quotes" EMI meter while you're there, that's OK too.
If this car is causing people to wear more hats and fewer sandals, then the NTSB might have to be brought into the loop as well.....but I'm betting it's not the car.

The severity of the symptoms suggests that the OP's friend might have bigger problems than hurt feelings because somebody is being insensitive to the EMI theory, so please encourage them to do whatever it takes to put this in the rear-view mirror and seek competent medical attention.

 

There is a real health issue called "conversion disorder." Although it may sound cute, I have it with a needle phobia. Stick me we any sort of IV or hypodermic and I will go into shock:

• November 6, 2013 - a nurse trainee was trying to learn how to put in an IV and I gave my OK. But at the time I was in a heart ward connected to their wireless monitor. She tried hard and even the supervisor did when suddenly, three heart wing nurses showed up! I had to explain "I've got a needle phobia and what you saw was me going into shock. I am OK, just the phobia."
• May 1991 - my blood pressure was high but they needed to draw some spinal fluid to check for another problem. But as I went into shock and my blood pressure decreased, my headache from the high blood pressure went away and I finally felt 'human' again.
• February 1971 - Marine boot camp TB test, tiny needle, and I had to sit down from the shock.
• 1969 - blood drive at OSU, I thought to desensitize myself by giving a pint. When the candy stripper came back, she was horrified to see me in shock and I briefly thought she was going to raise the bag and put it back in.

Phobias are real and in my case, occasionally awkward but mostly amusing. Even useful if I need to reduce my blood pressure. But there is nothing my adult, thinking mind can do about it. The shock is real and measurable.

Your 'friend' has reports of a medical problem. See a physician before it becomes an emergency room event. Meanwhile, if she is afraid of the car, sell it as soon as possible. It is not worth it to have some possession that possesses that kind of fear. Life is too short to live afraid.

Bob Wilson

 

If she was really a stripper and not a striper I can see why you might have gone into shock.

 

I have been ASSuming all along that the friend HAS seen a doctor; probably several.

If that is NOT the case, then I take back what I said about being insensitive and the patient AND the "friend" both need a good kick in the backside.

So......has the friend actually seen a doctor for all of this or not ??
No need for details, just a yes or no should help put things into perspective.

 

Gee....and all I ever got was a sticker and some juice.

 

Is she seeing a doctor?

 

apparently not.

 

Which or witch doctor as this is the reported diagnostic:

My late Dad, a physician and pathologist, never used anything like this on his patients. He could have lost his medical license. He did use xray and other certified, well known, medical device and lab tests. He even used one of these:

I know because I got to use a similar unit in his office and his medical school version. But some anonymous poster comes here and asks us 'world class' experts in "Freds" of PriusChat about how to "understand EMI readings?"

The poster assumes we would agree there exists some association of this 'device' and human syndromes. That is the 'hook' hidden inside the bait of 'asking for help.' But it doesn't matter how sweet the bait or tempting the claim. Fortunately this is Fred's, the right forum for such claims.

So let's compare and contrast with this guy:

Here is a selfie taken in the heart wing of Huntsville Hospital by his 'friend.' He is holding a 5-electrode, nominally three channel, wireless EKG/ECG device. This is how the ward nurses knew to look in on him when his needle phobia from a nurse trainee learning how to up in an IV induced shock which even today makes him smile. Having a true needle phobic prepares her for the next, unexpected one. <grins>

Later, after conversion from AFIB and discharged from the hospital, he bought one of these:

A 24 hour, portable, EKG/ECG recorder, he used it to capture and analyze 250 hours, about 5 times as much data as the 2 day, hospital data. This device data and the original cardiologists behavior convinced him to fire that cardiologist and find a professional.

With the new cardiologist, he went through a 30 day continuous study:

His earlier testing with the 24 hour EKG/ECG equipped him with better electrodes and the knowledge of how to place them for maximum effective readings. Later, he used the 'note' function to identify specific incidents such as maximum heart rate from climbing a steep hill and a wrong-airway swallow event.

At no time did he come to "Freds" to ask for help understanding the data and he does not claim to be an EKG/ECG expert . . . but he has a clue. Because of his life-long 'friendship,' he would never put strangers, even associates and co-workers in a position of answering a medical question like "Does my friend have atrial fibrillation?" He did discuss it with a former ambulance tech NOT FOR DIAGNOSIS but trading notes about what works and doesn't(*).

Bob Wilson

* - Even in the case of an expected, home death, an ambulance is called to confirm it by a field EKG reading. They arrived an hour or so later and following procedures, hooked up the EKG and were 'surprised.' Then they noticed one of the relatives was patting the deceased hand murmuring 'its OK.' Once separated, they got the expected reading.

 

Well the Trifield device is sold for $100+ solely to make money off of the uninformed. When I saw it I went straight to Placebo mode.

Now that I see that they bought $100+ snake oil BEFORE going to a Doctor, I regret even trying.