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Anybody else actually tracking their day to day driving?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Stratman, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. Stratman

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    As of today I started to be as scientific as possible in tracking my day to day Mpg. I now have a paper ledger with the following:

    Trip: these are usual and consistently used routes I take all the time, ie. to and from work, trips to the grocery store for my weekly shopping, etc.

    Miles driven: used along with "trip" to make sure things are consistent.

    AC/Heat: on or off and approx. what percentage of the time for each trip.

    Mpg: per the computer readout from each trip.

    Tire pressure: currently I use 42/40 but find it very difficult to "glide" as every bump in the road translates to my foot.

    Mode: Eco, Normal, or power

    Since my daily drive is boringly routine I'm going to keep it in one mode per week at 42/40 in the tires then after 3 weeks go down to 40/38 in each mode for a week as it seems my ability to glide, anecdotally, is giving me my biggest bang for the buck on my mpg according to my computer when I power down.

    Basically, I'm looking for my own personal sweet spot for both mpg, easy of driving the thing, and ride comfort. I'm going "old school" with a paper written ledger because I can leave it open and very much out in the open so as not to forget to write it down. As some who is a tech specialist I have found that paper beats keyboard any day. You don't have to boot it up, it NEVER crashes and if you spill your morning coffee on it it doesn't go down for repairs.
     
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    I bought my Prius C2 in July 2013 and have been tracking my daily fuel mileage (as shown on MFD) since September. I also record ambient temperature and will correlate with MPG when I have one year's worth of data. The severe winter had a big effect on fuel consumption. So far, my overall mileage is 54.1 MPG over 4099 miles.

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    I bought my Prius C2 in July 2013 and have been tracking my daily fuel mileage (as shown on MFD) since September. I also record ambient temperature and will correlate with MPG when I have one year's worth of data. The severe winter had a big effect on fuel consumption. So far, my overall mileage is 54.1 MPG over 4099 miles.
     

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    Try:
    • cruise control
    • routes under 42 mph
    • use "N" when coasting
    Still using these since 2005,
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    Aeroengr didn't think about adding an ambient temp or incliment weather column.

    Bob. Do you switch in and out of D to N when coasting. Is that what you're saying and is there no I'll affect by doing this?
     
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    I wasn't sure how involved I would become in tracking/improving mileage. As it turns out, after one week I'm not even reading the trip mileage anymore.

    I'll probably track my mileage for a couple more fillups, then every once in a while after that.
     
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    I've read that using N to coast could be bad as it could allow some stuff to rotate faster than they should.

    I've been using fuelly to track fillups. have not gotten into the daily tracking, doub't I'll get into that... but as the weather has warmed up... I have noticed quite an increase in MPG. not sure if its just the weather, or if they have stopped selling the "winter gas"
     
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    That's how it'll probably be with me. I'm trying to get into some good habits now before the novelty wears off and it's just another car note. I was the same way with my Corolla. I was able to squeeze out almost 42 mpg highway. When I got over all the hyper miling on it and started driving it as I usually drive I was still getting 39mpg.
     
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    I've been tracking my daily driving data since 2009. So, I have both a collection for my 2010 Prius and my 2012 Prius PHV. It's quite interesting to watch the ups & down, especially with the conditions here in Minnesota. Here's the latest:

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    Check the spreadsheets on my website for detail.
     
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    I am on my 3rd tank of gas in my '14 Gen3. I use the "A" trip meter to track the tank mileage and the "B" trip meter to track my back and forth to work and am just mentally keeping track. I've already learned quite a bit about how tire pressure (my front left doesn't hold air at all for some reason), topography, and traffic affect my mileage.

    Similar to you, I've found that the ability to "glide" is key. I sort of wish there was a function similar to cruise control that would allow you to hit a button and lock the pedal pressure instead of speed.

    Speaking of gliding, you do not have to shift to N to "coast". When you remove your foot from the gas the car defaults to a state of capturing a small amount of energy to recharge the battery. If you apply very slight pedal pressure you can get to where the display bars are neither negative (charging) or positive (accelerating) and you are free coasting.
     
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    I notice on the Gen III's using the dashboard display to get the arrows to stop is nearly impossible. I watched a video about "gliding" and the guy said because if this "newbies" should just keep bars as far to the left, of the display showing EV, Eco, and Pwr ranges. He said to keep it to as small a triangle as possible however, I have discovered that I can make the arrows disappear completely using the "energy" display on my center console display. Sorry guys, don't know all the acronyms yet. I think that's what's referred to as the HU.

    I wish I could reference that video because the guy says why it's nearly impossible to make them disappear completely on the dashboard display on the new model. I've emerald myself into this thing so much and seen so many videos that I don't know if I could even find it again.
     
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    Ok so I lowered my pressure to 40/38 from 42/40 (actually a bit closer to 43/41) after sitting for about 11/2 hours. I can tell a bit of a difference in drive comfort and a big difference in pedal control. Took my normal route to the store and was able to glide almost on command without the potholes and general harder ride constantly knocking my foot 1mm in either direction thus getting the arrows moving again.

    Just did the same route again (didn't send the above till I got back) with the same results. I am coming closer to my zone. So far I have 1090 total miles, am on my second fill up and still have 3 pips on the gauge. After the first tank and about 550 total miles I got just under 54 mpg IIRC. I'm gonna do my usual routes tomorrow and through the weekend, fill up Monday and see if I've improved since buying the thing.
     
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    I wouldn't say it's nearly impossible; it just takes practice. I've had my '13 for two months, and its quite easy to make the bar on the HSI disappear completely now. Give it a few weeks to get used to it.
     
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    I was talking about the dashboard display. The one with the pic of the car. I can get the HSI arrows to disappear pretty easily but the dashboard display doesn't.

    I'm not totally convinced of the accuracy of the indicators. Everything has a +/- tolerance. I would like to find a test point or 2 to monitor things as they change state.
     
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    Making the HSI bar disappear is easy. It is the energy flow arrows on the other screen that are nearly impossible -- and at some speeds, apparently completely impossible -- to make vanish on the GenIII.

    This is a change from the GenII, which lacked the former screen, but had an energy flow screen where the arrows could easily be made to disappear.
     
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    I watch to make sure the ICE is off, before putting it into neutral, otherwise I think it will continue to run the ICE and will not charge the traction batt.
     
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    tonyrenier I grew up, but it's still red!

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    I bought my 2010 III in June of 2009, I track mine by the tank because I think it's more accurate. I still divide miles/gallon and for 45,000 miles have found a 2.1 mpg difference between the display and my calculations. I've tested the speedo with GPS and find it is about 2 mph generous, I suspect the Odo is accurate because I've checked it with GPS, Scangauge II and know that it's suppossed to be accurate per DOT.
    I have a 55.2 cumulative mpg for 45,000 miles (was 55.6 before winter tires and many below zero days), took a real hit this winter with extreme cold and replacing OEM Yokohamas with Bridgestone Blizzaks (Best mpg per tank, 44.3 during the winter) Put 16" wheels and Continental ContiPro Contact 205/55-16, (combo weighs 35.8# original Yokohamas and 15" factory wheels were 34#)tires on for summer a couple of days ago, will see.
     
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    FWIW- my current car has realtime TPMS data per wheel which has revealed that if I start off at 38 PSI cold (recommended tire pressure for the Volt) within a few miles of driving it's up to 41 PSI on all four tires.
    So keep that in mind when over inflating your Prius tires to 43 PSI cold....
     
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    43 PSI is not over-inflating when the tire is rated for 44.
     
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    Agreed, my post was just to provide realtime results as to what happens to tire pressure once you start driving.
    Tires inflated to 43 PSI cold would probably increase to 46 PSI once driven.