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Gen I 2003 P3125 best course for diagnosis

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by jjv, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. jjv

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    Thanks for the reply. I am in Fort Worth, TX (Dallas). The P3125 was the original code that my NON-Prius aware scanner gave me. That was back when the car was running. Then I let it sat and got the Techstream to clarify. But by then it would not start. So the non running car scan with the Techstream gave me the above reports with P3000 & 3030. I wasn't sure if the P3125 was shown on the other scanner as a default b/c it couldn't read the Prius specific P3000 & 3030. Or if the battery had now gone bad in addition to the P3125 which either doesn't show on the Techstream b/c it cleared when I had to change out the 12v battery, and/or the car needs to be driven to set that code again.

    Yes, the car has sat for awhile. Bought in April. Drove about a month. Got to a point where kept going in to "safe mode", so I let it sit. Would drive around the block every couple weeks, or let idle, and at some points let it sit for too long apparently. Once I got the Techstream in September, or some time before, the car died which I had to research and came up with the 12v problem. So the Techstream was never hooked up while the car was running, and I am not sure what codes cleared when I changed the 12v. The main battery was probably bad when I bought it, they may have charged it, so it more easily went bad when it sat idle. And it did sit at the car auction for a few months before I bought it, I believe, although I bought it from a used car dealer, not at auction.

    Now that I have the Techstream, I'm thinking to get the battery charged via Frankenstein, maybe changing out the bus bar/harness or whatever, to see if I can get it running and just to be sure no other codes were setting before that I am no longer aware of. Then go from there.

    Not opposed to a new battery since the cost new is now close to a refurb. Just want to be sure the battery is not simply a new problem in addition to an old problem. And I will probably have to try and do it myself.

    If you know of any good shops in my area, let me know. I'll let you know what comes of it. Thanks for your advice.
     
  2. usnavystgc

    usnavystgc Die Hard DIYer and Ebike enthusiast.

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    Judging from the looks of those block voltages, this battery is beyond any kind of repair. When a Nimh battery sits idle for a long time it self discharges. When left in that state, the battery will die. These are likely dead. There is a procedure you can try which is charging and discharging each individual module 3 times but, I guarantee you many of these modules wouldn't even take a charge. Your best bet is either a new or rebuilt battery at this point.

    As for the 3125. I can't tell you one way or another if that fault will come back. I'm hopeful it won't but, I'm not positive. I would hate to give you false hope.
     
  3. jjv

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    This afternoon I was checking out options for replacing the battery. I was able to find some places from other chat threads and am fairly confident this can be done for much cheaper, and solved some other questions I had about how plug and play the install can be. The packs appear to be a complete assembly, whereas a Toyota one would require opening up and transferring some items. And some of the refurbs have a better warranty than the Toyota. Not sure why Toyota wouldn't be greater than 1yr warranty if new.

    greentecauto com - $1095 rebuilt w/1st gen cells, 12mth warranty, no ship if non-residential, and they have local installers w/no core return ship; $1595 w/2nd gen, 18mth warranty

    dorman/reinvolt - around $1565 (still searching) rebuilt, but 3 yr warranty, supposedly can get through local retail, so no ship either way, but presume tax

    There are some other outfits who will travel to your location, across the country, and install the battery. Thought that was interesting. As well as the other common problems -- inverters, transaxle, and such. Mobile Prius shops.

    However, I did read that the rebuilds were often experiencing problems that made the Toyota battery the reliable option. Do you have an opinion on rebuilds, or Gen 1 v. Gen 2 cells? I know the Gen 2 are more plentiful and don't leak, supposedly better design, but as get older are learning not necessarily more reliable.

    So $1200 for my own plug in play install, versus $4350, is a great option. And I can test it out and decide to either keep or sell, and do a better job of recouping some losses while letting them know the history and risks.

    Thanks for the advice and opinion. Makes me feel more comfortable about moving forward.
     
  4. usnavystgc

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    At this point, I'd probably go with Gen 2 cells. My experience with gen 1 cells is good but conventional wisdom says gen 2. DIY is the way to go if you ask me. Just make sure you get the safety interlock reset properly
     
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    Late joining in here, but RockAuto wants 1209.79 for the Dorman battery. I may be going that way if that is where my 2002 leads me.
     
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    usnavystgc Die Hard DIYer and Ebike enthusiast.

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    That's not a bad price. They are getting cheaper and cheaper.
     
  7. 3prongpaul

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    $1210 is an excellent price for a rebuilt battery with 3 year warranty....but don't forget about core charge + shipping both ways...who pays the shipping?
     
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    Seems to me the idea behind Dorman picking up ReInvolt was to get it into the normal distribution channels so you go to the counter at your friendly local parts shop, order one, and carry it out when it arrives on their regular truck. Everybody wins!

    -Chap
     
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    Which local auto parts store ? The markup at stores like autozone is prohibitive.
     
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    Stuff like this is usually carried at the places that were auto parts stores before the consumer-oriented Auto Zones and Pep Boys, etc., started popping up, you know the ones in fairly featureless brick buildings on the other side of the railroad tracks, with names like <your town name here> Auto Parts. These places often carry somewhat better-known makes of ordinary consumables like brake parts and such, too, and you find people shopping in them who look as if they do the work for a living.

    I haven't gone to mine lately to check their price on the battery, but probably it will be better.

    -Chap
     
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    Bought a 2002 w/143k in October that need a traction battery. Decided to go with Dorman(ReInvolt) for the 3 yr warranty. Purchased from local NAPA for $1650 plus $180 tax($950 core), no shipping. I was prepared to install it myself, but to get the warranty, I picked it up from NAPA and had it installed at a local hybrid/EV shop for $400.
    I considered driving down to Oregon (no sale tax) for a battery at a Toyota dealer for $1800 which is about $400-$600 cheaper when sales tax is included than the Seattle area dealers. So for $500 more I got a 3 yr warranty on the entire unit that has gen2 cells. Maybe worth it, maybe not?
     
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    Hmm, given the capability to DIY install, I would have made the choice to buy a new battery from a Toyota dealer. Don't confuse "warranty period" with "expected service life". It is pretty clear that although the new battery has a one year warranty from Toyota, it should last 8 years or more under normal circumstances.

    OTOH the battery with used 2G cells is on average around 7 years old (and perhaps as old as 10 years) so who knows how much longer it will last. 3 years might be pushing it.