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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by JC91006, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. JC91006

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    Hi All,

    This person I know needs some help with his Prius. 2005 drove for a couple thousand miles and suddenly the hybrid warning light came on while driving. Towed into the dealer and the dealer says it's the transaxle that needs replacement. Can you guys help verify the codes pulled? Just seems odd to hear about transmission failure at 152,000 miles.

    Codes P0571, P0607, P0A607, P0AA6

    The hybrid battery seems ok, I was able to turn on the car. However the ICE engine does not turn on. Also the digital mileage doesn't come on....like I didn't step on the brake while turning it on.....no "miles per hour"

    What do you guys think? Dealer correct with the transaxle needing replacement?
     
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    Patrick Wong is the expert on these things. First code seems to be defective brake light switch, second code could be a couple of things, refer to the following.

    Brake-Related Warning Lights On | PriusChat

    Third code P0A607 is not valid, last code depending on "info code" of numbers could point to the transaxle. Really need to know the info code to pinpoint since that code points to more than one thing.

    See info revealed here.

    P0AA6 Code / 526 Information Code--need help! | PriusChat

    FWIW, a google search will reveal codes for you.

    Try searching with keywords like "Prius DTC P0A60" without the quotation marks.

    Hope this helps you. Sorry I can't be more helpful than I am at this time.
     
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    Change the juice in the tranny.
     
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    I would suggest making sure the 12 volt battery is fully charged or consider getting a new 12 volt battery. It seems like the cold weather causes problems with these 12 volt batterys and when it gets low it sets off lots of codes and the engine does not engage.

    I do not believe it is a problem with the transaxle. Here is a thread with my experience: P0A4B Code, Transaxle/Generator | PriusChat

    Although I did not experience the same codes as you, it was a P0A code concerning my transaxle.
     
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    The P0AA6 in the GenII is a show stopper (but not in the GenIII). As pointed out in the above link, this is due to an electrical insulation fault in the HV system. It can happen that the MG1 or MG2 winding insulation can get damaged and allow a slight leakage current to flow, which will trigger the DTC.

    As one poster mentioned, changing the transmission fluid would be a last ditch effort to see if any improvement could be had. But if it is due to winding insulation breakdown, that won't help.

    If the mileage in the Combination Meter is not coming on, then it is likely that the CM is a candidate for replacement under the extended warranty program.
     
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    I looked up the service history on the car, at 139,000 mile service, the dealer noticed there was some transaxle fluid at the seal....probably means it was leaking. Service recommendation was turned down at that time. Fast forward to 152000 miles now, the dealer says the transaxle needs replacement.

    I know dealers often misdiagnose some of the codes and I don't know enough about the Prius yet to be much help when it comes to technical codes the car spits out.

    When I tried turning it on, I noticed the "brake" light on the dash is always on, whether it is engaged or not. However the Red triangle that was once on is no longer on, there are still some other lights lit up on the dash but no triangle. Not sure what to make of it. The 12v is somewhat charged, measuring 12.3 without anything running.
     
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    The first code seems to be a defective brake light switch. That's likely the reason the car's not turning on. Do me a favor, hit the start button without pressing down the brake and see if the indications are the same with and without pressing the brake. I would think you have to get that problem fixed first before you can decide anything.
     
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    1. You need to confirm what the third code is, since what you have written is not a valid DTC.
    2. I agree that the brake light switch needs to be replaced, since that is the significance of P0571. The switch has two parts, one switch is normally closed while the other switch is normally open, when the brake pedal is up. Those two switches reverse their status when the pedal is depressed. Use an ohmmeter to confirm the proper functioning of that switch.
    3. P0607 is pointing to a problem with either the engine ECU or the hybrid vehicle ECU. That might be a bogus code which may go away when the other DTC are addressed. If not, then one or the other ECU needs to be replaced.
    4. P0AA6 points to a high voltage ground fault which could be anywhere in the high voltage circuit, including the traction battery, the traction battery ECU, the high voltage battery cable, the inverter, the transaxle, or the air conditioner compressor. The three-digit info code is needed to pin down the problem further, or else the components can be disconnected and a megger used to determine where the high voltage ground fault is located.

    As a temporary measure, you can disconnect the 12V battery for a few minutes to clear the codes, then try to start the car. Once P0AA6 is logged, the hybrid vehicle ECU will not permit further restarts and the DTC must be cleared again or the root cause of the high voltage ground fault repaired.
     
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    The car is able to shift into neutral. Would a bad brake light switch prevent the car from switching into any gears? How can all these things all come up at once? This car was running normal and all of a sudden have multiple errors?
     
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    There is one more note on the dealer paperwork next to the error codes...P0AA6=Hybrid batttery voltage system isolation fault. Bad battery? Last I checked the hybrid battery meter had 4 blue bars. If this is a bad battery issue and not a transaxle issue, it would even be better. I know where to get a good $800 battery right now.

    Also noted. Transaxle has a voltage leak and makes noise. shudders when taking off from stop. I find this note interesting because it doesn't take off at all. How did the dealer get this one?

    I don't have anything to read the specific codes at this time, i've order one of the mini readers but hasn't arrived yet. I just have a basic OBDII reader at the moment
     
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    Not necessarily, If one part of the switch was working correctly but the other is not, you might still be able to shift gears. Can you run the test I spoke of in my previous post and report the results here?
     
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    ok, I'll try to run that test. That car is stored at my work, I don't want it at my house since I have 3 here LOL
     
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    One of the possibilities for generating the isolation fault is for one or more of the HV battery modules to have a small amount of electrolyte leakage, which could indicate some impending failure there. But the additional code info is needed to pin point that.
     
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    ok, you are correct. The car reacts the same when I press the power button. Regardless if I press the brake or not, same lights appear on the dash.

    Still no red triangle appearing though
     
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    It seems like the brake switch is bad, is there any point in disconnecting the battery to try and start the car?
     
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    You can disconnect the 12V battery as long as you realize that any existing DTC will be erased. No worries though, I am sure they will reappear quickly enough.

    The brake switch testing and replacement is a fairly simple and inexpensive thing to do, I suggest you do that first.
     
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    How could the brake switch fail the same time all this stuff is failing?

    It's not my car so I don't want to do any repairs on it, I'm just helping the owner identify what could be wrong and if it'll be less expensive than the dealer quote of $4000+ to fix it. He hinted to me that if the problem was going to be $4000+, he wouldn't want the car anymore.

    If this is your car and those codes came up, where would you start to get to the bottom of things? To eliminate 1 problem at a time.
     
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    You are assuming that these problems happened at once. More likely, a minor issue like the brake pedal switch developed over time and the owner tried to ignore it until the switch failed solid. It is possible that there are only two issues: the brake switch and the high voltage ground fault.

    At 152K miles, the car is at design end-of-life so you should not be surprised by a transaxle failure, or any other failure for that matter.

    What I would do:

    1. Fully-charge the 12V battery and if it does not hold a charge, replace it.
    2. Measure resistance on the brake switch in the open and closed positions, and replace it if needed.
    3. Figure out where the high voltage ground fault is, by disconnecting the various high voltage components and using a megger to detect a ground fault. Since the dealer pointed to the transaxle, I would start by disconnecting MG1 and MG2, and using the megger on the three-phase AC terminals of both MGs. If the ground fault is severe enough, a regular ohmmeter will detect some resistance (less than infinity) from each terminal to ground. Any resistance measurement less than infinity is "fail".
     
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    Thanks for the information Patrick. Other members mentioned replacing the transaxle fluid to start, would that possibly work in this case? #3 on your post is a bit technical for me.
     
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    Replacing the transaxle fluid is a Band-Aid and might temporarily get rid of the ground fault if due to a stator winding in the transaxle losing insulation. The theory is that the old transaxle fluid has accumulated metal particles which makes the fluid more electrically conductive than new transaxle ATF. Use only Toyota ATF WS, four quarts.