Diesels more popular than hybrids? (. . . except for . . .)

Skittles sell better than any coated milk chocolate candy except M&Ms, therefore coated milk chocolate candies are a failure.

See, it works for anything.

 

Excluding Toyota hybrids is quite amusing. Talking about denial. Geez!

Using their same criteria, by adding Toyota & Lexus like they did for VW & Audi, with counts through November...

Prius - 135,291
Prius C - 39,169
Camry - 41,722
Prius V - 32,879
Avalon - 14,988
ES - 14,856
CT200h - 13,284
Prius PHV - 11,169
RX400h/450h - 10,154
Highlander - 4,798
GS450h - 478
LS600h - 109
HS250h - 5

...the total comes to 318,902.

More popular.

No.

 

When will the auto press get into hybrids? Or are they ignoring hybrids?

How sad.

DBCassidy

 

The auto press doesn't ignore advertisement money...
Here in Portugal, there are many examples of nursering german cars, because it pays in ads.

 

News Flash: Pepsi-Cola has sold more cola than anyone else (excepting Coca-Cola).

 

Post it over at the TDI Club, then stand back.

 

In my environs diesel continues to be some 20-30% more expensive than petrol. If the rest of the country is similar then 100k sales for a year is pretty impressive.

As for VW spin -- it reminds me of the headache remedy commercials that say loudly with pride "no other brand is better!!" while hiding the fact that other brands are as good (and a lot cheaper). Happy New Year to diesel fans, too stupid to realize they are being manipulated.

 

Yes, but only to a point and then the hybrid hater-aid gets passed around. The same thread has been going over there for a couple of weeks and it was fine until hybrids were injected. I give up after that.

 

once the hyacc is in full production, the world of auto reviewers will be changed forever. they will come completely over to the dark side. 'these aren't the droids you're looking for...'

 

Over 50% of the population make choices on purchases based on hype and advertising.

That's why politicians and anyone who sells anything uses slogans, hype and popular opinion rather than technical specification and performance. That's why we got so many bad politicians and so much "buyer's remorse with them."

Some of the cars with worst reliability are the best sellers.

I've worked with diesels for 10 years, when I was in San Diego and owners put in big aluminum tanks to buy fuel in Mexico in the 1980's.

1. Diesel mechanics are rarer than gasoline engine mechanics and basically charge more.

2. Diesel fuel "stink" lingers on your hands even when you wash with soap and water.

3. Oil in the crankcase become "instantly" pitch black. Got it on you hands, and it lingers for days.

4. Diesels must be kept running even at idle. Hybrids go into EV mode. Diesel MPG plummets in stop and go traffic.

On the basis of the factors above, I will NOT likely ever own a diesel car.

 

ditto. toyota should make a commercial about the lady in the audi commercial 'mistakenly putting diesel in her gasser. then, they should show her hands after she fuels up.

 

Just smell her clothes when the pump fails to cut off and splashes the stuff on her.

 

While I have been an admirer of the VW TDI, it's MPG has suffered thanks to government requirement changes to design. VW has always been a big seller and developer of TDI, thanks mostly to their european base.

 

When was it that you worked with diesels? Friend had a 1980 diesel Rabbit, and diesel did stink in the '80s and '90s. I had to use some ULSD to keep the heating system from going off. Spilled some of course. No stink.

As you said diesel mechanics are rarer. That means they can charge more. If the local mechanics in your town are unable to work on a hybrid, then the dealer can charge(even) more. With diesels selling at lower rates than hybrids, there is no incentive for the typical shop to bother with them. With increasing makes and numbers, there is an incentive, and diesel tech rates will lower. This is simple supply and demand.

Gasoline car mpg plummets in stop and go traffic. While idling the diesel will consume less fuel than a similar displacement gasoline engine.The hybrid v. diesel story sells print, and people like picking a team and becoming devoted to it, but the big picture is really hybrids and diesel v. gasoline.

The fuel cost is higher per volume, but that isn't the real issue. The real one is that people don't think or bother giving a closer look. When compared using EPA numbers, gasoline and diesel variants of the same model cost around the same per mile in fuel.

Most diesels aren't as clean as hybrids. They can be cleaner, and the ones sold now during their rising popularity are much cleaner than the fleets of ones cruising European highways right now. Being as clean as the typical gas car is seen as a bad thing, but what is the magnitude more of typical gas cars on the road compared to both hybrids and diesels. Isn't it better for something to get an equally clean diesel than a gasser, and use less petroleum in fuel?

Hybrids do not work for everyone. It is better for all with more options for them.

 

The big picture is fuel efficiency and conservation. Diesel belongs in trains and trucks, not personal vehicles.

 

Its is. But where is the hybrid pick up that could do the work of the straight gasser?

If we want to improve fuel efficiency, we are going to have to allow choice. Even if the choices aren't ideal. Hybrid market share as grown because of more choices. Yet hybrids are still not going to work for everyone. A diesel car is better than a gasoline one for those with more highway miles.

 

Government requirements was to force diesel to meet the same minimum standard as gas vehicles. Allowing greater smog-related pollution didn't make sense.

As for popularity in Europe, much of that is due to the price of gas being so much higher than diesel there.