Any thoughts on the next generation Prius Plug in??

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  1. markabele

    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    40-60% is the range of the regular Prius so I think he was referencing that, but you may be right.
     
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    No, regular Prius is 40-80%.
     
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  3. markabele

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    You're right. I'm an idiot. 60% is what it likes to be at.
     
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    all good points, i probably misremembered.
     
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  5. Sergiospl

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    How about 20-25 Ev miles, 55 mpg combined after depletion, with no loss of a seat, space, and have a flat cargo floor.
     
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    Yeah it's 40-80% with 60% as its happy place (~6 bars on the SOC meter).


    Yes the next gen is a complete redesign (hence generation) but we don't know what it looks like. If the rumours are true about weight reduction, then I don't see Toyota adding too much range (added weight) or a spare tyre (added weight) to the PHV. We know Toyota is working on next gen batteries as there are several reports of them working on metal-air batteries (specifically lithium-air if I remember correctly). If that's the case, Toyota may save its "wow" moment when they're ready (assuming they can get the battery to market reliably and cheaply) and hopefully that's sooner than later.
     
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    so, complete redesign may mean a way to fit a larger battery without intruding on the cabin. they did a pretty good job reconfiguring them in the gen II hycam without a redesign. or maybe it is a redesign, but seems more cosmetic and hybrid tech than body/chassis.
     
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    The word on the streets is that the next gen will be less "evolution" and more "revolution".
    Gen 1 -> Gen 2 :: Revolution
    Gen 2 -> Gen 3 :: Evolution
    Gen 3 -> Gen 4 :: Revolution

    Toyota always their surprises to their chest. They will have their mule cars rolling around, but I wouldn't be surprised if they look like the Gen3 in the spy shots. This is because, in my opinion, they would be wise to add panels to the car to make it look similar to the old one so people don't know the extent of the redesign.

    I do take issue, however, with Tideland's assertion of the new battery chemistry. As I said previously, I simply do not foresee Toyota introducing new battery tech as a surprise. For a historically conservative company, that move seems very unpredictable.
     
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    I don't expect a great difference in battery designs for 2015. Maybe with the reboot GenIV.5 in 2018, but not right away. The most I expect is a slightly larger Li-Ion pack for the debut. And that would be fine with me.
     
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    I talked to the people out at Toyota in Torrance yesterday and asked about an extended range in future PiPs and I was told not any time soon. They don't want to use up any more interior space with bigger batteries and loose the size rating.
     
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    I am actually happy about this choice. People need to understand it's a hybrid on steroids, not an EV (although some people have short enough commutes to make it one).
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with a 200 mile ev for $45 k. The incentive is here to stay so you get $7,500 off. That would be a $38k Prius electric ? Or would they just rename it and restyle it as a whole new model ?


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    If they do a revolution for 4th gen, in my mind that will mean mostly in the body design / shape. That was the BIG change from Gen I to II.

    At this point it's a mystery to me as to what they could do to increase the aerodynamic efficiency much while retaining the interior size and versatility. The body seems nearly optimized now.

    Should they break the smooth line up the hood / windshield? That would seem to decrease efficiency.

    I don't envy Toyota's task with 4th Gen, it's huge. I don't see any car in maybe 10 years approaching the sales of liftback Prius. These midsize sedan, Camry, Fusion hybrids are not going to touch Prius sales because it's simply too easy to step one to the left and pick up a conventional sedan with bigger trunk for $3,500 less.

    For all my complaining, Prius is still the best advanced tech car on the planet to date, and I just do a Wth :eek: when arriving home with 60 mpg on gage after my 28 mile r/t day.
     
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    There are absolutely no signs pointing to this happening.
     
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    It's clear to me that an all-battery successor to the Prius would need to be renamed. The name Prius is said to mean "to go before" based on the Latin root "pre". The Prius was named this way because it added a battery and electric motors but was not yet a fully electric car.

    Therefore, the new name for an all-battery car might be the Toyota Vicius after the Latin root "vic" which means "to change" or "succession".

    Alternatively, it could be the all new Toyota Currius -- after the Latin root "curr" which means "to run", hasten, or travel. It would be a car which runs only on electric current.

    Some have speculated that affordable 200+ mile EVs might combine two energy sources or types of batteries -- Lithium Air would provide energy density and Lithium Ion would provide short-term power density.

    Marketing experts know that sex sells automobiles. So, perhaps the Toyota Bi-Currius using a combination of both Lithium Air and Lithium Ion cells would help to firm up their marketing position against hot models from Tesla, Nissan, and GM.
     
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    I think Toyota's focus is on liquid-electrolyte batteries.

    Metal-air's not really efficient enough for a primary battery, but its high density would make it a potential BEV range extender.
     
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