Yep... he's still blaming me... but here's him saying exactly that. I think the problem is that he forgot about that post entirely...
No problem The thread went south after the interjection of the VOLT, like I SAID AGAIN. I didn't bring up the VOLT. I was talking about the LEAF.
So what you are saying is... when you wrote the words Volt, you meant PIP? Or is this a case of your reading comprehension being as bad as your math skills and memory?
Sounds like 25k miles a year, numerous daily charges are mandated to minimize use of gas. One would have to have a series of recharge along their travel routes to make this feasible. Also, the time involved to WAIT to achieve a full charge before traveling further. Then, again, maybe what I am saying just is not feasible to be done with the Volt going 25k miles / year without using gas? Perhaps Volt owner will chime in and show how they drive 25k miles / year majority on electric with little / no use of gas, but I have my doubts. DBCassidy
Nobody said it wouldn't use gas. The context was supposed to say that the Volt will still use much less gas than the PC.
Congrats.. PC is still a great place to hang out no matter what you drive. Umm the Volt has a 16.5kWh battery which is bigger than the C-Max. And the op got his volt for $2500 more than the PriusC, so yes its a little more expensive but will also save on gas. More importantly than running the numbers on price, I think you might find the the quality of drive is another consideration. I wonder if crystal red volt owners are more likely to be active at Prius Chat? (Belated contrats on your paradox, I had not noticed your signature till now..)[/quote] 16.5 kWh battery, how much does it cost to replace for a new / refurbed battery pack including labor? Does this cost negate all the money saved not using gas? If so, what has one gained: weekly savings not going to the gas station, but forking all the gas savings to the dealer for new battery replacement? Does that make economic sense, or just the feel good feeling of not using gas in your daily travels? DBCassidy Ok, the Volt uses gas, but at the expense of facing the cost of replacing the 16.5 Kw battery? DBCassidy How long will GM be able to offer the discounts on the Volt? Until all current inventory on dealers lots are depleted? OR, will GM be forced to drop the discounts (minimize further financial losses) on this product? DBCassidy
So your logic is that the Volt isn't better because they will have to replace the battery? Sounds a lot like the excuse that the Prius is an awful car... 16.5 kWh battery, how much does it cost to replace for a new / refurbed battery pack including labor? Does this cost negate all the money saved not using gas? If so, what has one gained: weekly savings not going to the gas station, but forking all the gas savings to the dealer for new battery replacement? Does that make economic sense, or just the feel good feeling of not using gas in your daily travels? DBCassidy[/quote] Ask the 1st gen Prius drivers how much their batteries cost to replace... the majority of them will tell you they still haven't done so...
Ah the wandering "logic"of someone I ignore has taken the thread sidesway. Well there are volt drivers doing ~25K miles with very little gas. Check out Volt Stats: Details for Volt #2011-00107 (A ReVolt) 42505 Ev miles (from 49518 total) since Jan 2012. So 218 MPG overall. or Volt Stats: Details for Volt #2013-04030 (The Car) who has done 17280 EV miles since Jan 2013! Oh, and replacing a Volt battery is currently about 3K plus about 1K in labor,with return of the existing battery. The OP made it clear why they choose to switch.. savings was not the primary issue, its a better drive for about the same price.. . More and more now ex-prius owners driving Volts.
Which will still be in the minority... if the OP will ever have to do it, I'd be very surprised. GM made sure to use very little of the capacity of the LION battery, just so that it won't get damaged.
Totally agree.. all the "replacements" so far have been from accidents that damage the battery. I've have mine for almost 2 years.. still got 52miles on a charge today.
What was the trade in value of the Prius C? Forget all the calculations on cost of gas, I find it hard to imagine that you could make up the cost of selling a 1 year old car.
Gm, to this day is struggling to reduce the Volts' purchase price. Time is against them as the market get more competitive with EVs. IF(?) Gm can find a way of reducing the purchase while keeping the current level of amenities intact - that would be great! However, the bean counters from corporate will be in control with a sharp eye on - the bottom line. DBCassidy
You'll lose money on any car bought new and sold 1 year later. You automatically lose money whenever buying any new car unless you drive it for 5 or more years. The C is cheap enough to buy and will hold a good resale value. Auto purchases aren't money making ventures
Not an absolute fact. When gas prices rise again and dealers charge sticker price plus hefty ADMs on hybrids that fly off the lot, a year-old hybrid with low-to-average miles can definitely sell for the sticker price of a new car. I know this is true because I have a friend with a 1 year old Prius who was able to sell it for more than he paid the last time gas prices hit $5/gal.
If one is losing $3000 or more selling a nearly new car, it seems weird to be talking about 'deals', that's all. As a counter-example I bought my Prius right before the Tsunami in Japan, and could have sold it for $3,000 more than I paid, 4 months later. That is an anomaly, of course.
No. Using EPA, assumptions: Prius c: 46mpg (gas miles highway) Volt: - 40mpg (gas miles highway), +20c/gal premium premium. - AER 38mi - 0.350kWh/mi EV Electricity cost in Des Moines 2013: ~9c/kWh after tax (Maybe varies per year due to cost adjustments and renewable credits) Prius: 7.826c/mi Volt: - CS: 9c/mi + 0.5c/mi premium = 9.5c/mi - EV: 3.15c/mi Break-even EV fraction = 0.2636 25kmi/yr break-even EV = 6590mi Large number of miles => long commute 38 EV miles per commute. 48 weeks x 5 days /week = 9,120 miles. So, using EPA numbers, even if his only EV miles were on his commute it'd be cheaper for him to "fuel" than a Prius c. Varies by gasoline and electricity prices, of course. Using my 14c/kWh electricity (I pay an extra 2c/kWh for renewable credits, and have by-month-variable TOU supply + fixed distribution) and my regular gas was $3.419 last time, so my breakeven would be around 39%. Against a PiP, it's more complicated for the OP because it depends more on journey patterns: based on average miles per day the Volt would be cheaper; if the 25,000 were just 240 commutes per year it'd favor the PiP. Congratulations OP.
You can calculate it till the cows deliver their methane for use, but the fact remains. The Prius C is cheap to buy, own and operate. It averages 50 to 55+ MPG. My total investment to buy mine was $23,500.00 and it's worth every penny, IMO. Spending more to say you're gonna save more is kinda silly. Most will sell it long before that time ever comes
