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    I just bought my car probably a month ago. I have a 2006. We checked the air before we bought it, but it was cold outside, so it could have just been blowing out cooler air. Now that it's almost 90 degrees outside, it's blowing out very warm air. I obviously need to get this fixed, but I was wondering if anyone had any advice for me especially so I can save money.

    Thanks!
     
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    Make sure both electric radiator fans are running when ac is on.

    Warm up the car with a brief drive and then put ac on max cold and open the hood and listen to both of the fans. One fan is radiator cooling and the other is AC assist fan. Both should be on. Don't touch them though.
    The other thing is the condenser may be really clogged. Look at the front radiator through the front bumper vents with a flashlight and see how clean the fins are in the front "radiator". There's 2 "radiators" in the car. The ac condenser sits in front of the regular radiator so it takes the brunt of road debris clogging and damage.
    Also make sure there is the large plastic bottom engine cover in place because if its missing it exposes the condenser to road debris damage. Without that cover in place on the bottom the condenser is very exposed to road damage.
    Many reports of rocks hitting the condenser and knocking holes in a creating leaks.

    What is the situation with your car? Is it a rebuild title that was in a front end accident by any chance or does it have a clear title?
     
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    It actually is a rebuild car, but before I bought it, we took it to a Toyota dealership to have everything looked at. There were only minor things. I also just took it to have the 5,000 mile service at a Toyota dealership, and they didn't see any major red flags.

    A coworker of mine (he knows a lot about cars, but not necessarily these kind) just told me to start it without the air on, and then to pop the hood and then, turn the A/C on. He said that he didn't hear the fans running, so he's thinking it may be low on refrigerant. He said with most newer cars, the fans won't run if the refrigerant is low in order to not ruin the reservoir (something along those lines).
     
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    It actually is a rebuild car, but before I bought it, we took it to a Toyota dealership to have everything looked at. There were only minor things. I also just took it to have the 5,000 mile service at a Toyota dealership, and they didn't see any major red flags.

    A coworker of mine (he knows a lot about cars, but not necessarily these kind) just told me to start it without the air on, and then to pop the hood and then, turn the A/C on. He said that he didn't hear the fans running, so he's thinking it may be low on refrigerant. He said with most newer cars, the fans won't run if the refrigerant is low in order to not ruin the reservoir (something along those lines)
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    (Sorry for the multiple response. My internet is being ridiculous right now).
     
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    Your friend is right on. Its low on refrig because there is a leak alot of times fod damage up front. What is the name of the dealer you took it too please and please fill out your profile so we know what state you live in.

    Is the cover on under the car? If not the condenser is highly suspect. Expensive $$$.

    Rebuild. We see alot of those here. And was your car a front end like I asked earlier?

    To your friend the ac system is pretty close to a normal car with these important exceptions:

    It uses special PAG oil. Do not buy Freon from the auto parts store and try charging it.
    And the compressor runs off 200V 3 phase ac from the Inverter so be careful digging around there while the car is running or in READY. Like they say in the electrician trade that will turn your hat around. Other than that its pretty much like any other car.
     
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    Midstate Toyota in Asheboro, NC. I went there with my friend's father who used to work there/still does a lot of work for them, so we all felt they were very trustworthy.

    It was a front end. Most of the minor problems that said Toyota dealership told us about were cosmetic. For example, the bumper was missing clips, the radiator splash shield missing one clip, some problems with the headlights, air filters dirty--all of those things are now fixed.

    Do you think it's a good idea to go to an auto parts store to get the pressure checked? I'm very new to this (and want to keep this car for longer than two years unlike my previous one) not to mention that I would rather talk to someone like you than my boyfriend's father who is dead set on taking every car to this local mechanic down the street who drains money out of everyone.
     
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    WE posted at the same time. I edited my post so please read it again.
     
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    So, buy PAG oil? Any specific kind?

    I'll go out to my car right now to see if there's a cover.
     
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    Ouch. Front end is bad ac wise. Could be they never hooked the condenser back up.

    Take it back to the dealer and pay an inspection/est fee. get them to tell you what they think the issue is. Tell them its a front end hit.

    Tell them est only as you may not be able to get it fixed right away.
    May be $200 I don't know or so because they have to inject dye into the system and then see where the leak is. I hate to tell you but based on what we have seen so many times it may be the condenser. Sometimes worse as many people charge them up wrong and then promptly burn out the compressor too which wipes the whole system out with debris.

    I'm just a ray of sunshine aren't I?

    Good luck to you.
     
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    I wouldn't waste any money without doing a leak test first. You have a leak for sure. Freon does not evaporate.
    if its low its a leak. If you don't charge it up correctly you can damage the compressor and then you will have totaled the ac system and your wallet.
     
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    It looks completely covered. A coworker just looked at it as well and said the same thing.
     
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    Thanks for your input. I think the best thing I can do is go to an auto parts store, have them check the pressure of the refrigerant to see if I need any, and then go from there.
     
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    I would still go to a dealership to check the leak, right?
     
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    We just tried something that will show if there is excessive refrigerant, no refrigerant, some, etc. It looks like no refrigerant exists, so I guess that would be my first step. However, I called a Toyota dealership to get a quote on an estimate, and mentioned to them about the PAG oil, and they pretty much called me stupid--saying that freon and PAG oil are two different things, and that you can't use the oil. My coworker said that this is the compartment where you would use the oil. I'm now unsure of what to buy.
     
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    We just tried something that will show if there is excessive refrigerant, no refrigerant, some, etc. It looks like no refrigerant exists, so I guess that would be my first step. However, I called a Toyota dealership to get a quote on an estimate, and mentioned to them about the PAG oil, and they pretty much called me stupid--saying that freon and PAG oil are two different things, and that you can't use the oil. My coworker said that this is the compartment where you would use the oil. I'm now unsure of what to buy.

     
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    No refrigerant because there's a leak. The Prius uses a specific type of oil in the freon thats different than most cars. Its non conductive.

    Search this site. Hundreds of posts about it.here's some:

    Search Results for Query: prius ac leak | PriusChat


    Take it to the dealer for an estimate. Cap your estimate charge. It may just be loose condenser connections.
    They will charge it properly and die test for leak location or locations and then pray that the compressor is ok and there are no holes in that front radiator looking unit the condenser.
     
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    Thanks for your help. I have an appointment for Saturday.
     
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    Excellent. Just limit there est charge or hopefully they'll find the leak and it will be a loose connection.
    Report back here there findings. Good Luck!
     
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    there is no guess work with Prius a/c. find the leak using a GOOD electronic leak detector and some times that dose not always work the first time. Use a GOOD trace dye ( you can see in my photo album ) and the trace dye dose not always work ether, at least not right away. It comes down to this , I recover out all the remaining refrigerant, weigh it to see how much it in there ( this is part if the diagnostics ) leave it on the vacuum pump, recharge it by weight to the factory SPEC: 48o g. all cars are different!.

    No you do not add oil unless some was lost from parts being replaced or a recovery that may have removed some oil with the refrigerant or a front end hit that put a hole in the condenser and it lost all the refrigerant rapidly with lots of oil.

    NOT PAG OIL!!! denso ND-11, not universal ( oil ) . ND-11 is a ESTER oil and there are a few types of ester oil, not all esters are equal.

    Yes the condenser is a vary common leak point on the Prius. If you do need one only get a factory TOYOTA made by DENSO condenser!! this is vary important.
     
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